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From: Kommienezuspadt on 6 Feb 2010 09:33 "John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message news:hvspm595n70hqeuq9nbli5bs3sgrlccurc(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:06:35 -0800, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote: > > >>If the Reds think this guy Cabrera is a number two hitter, they are living >>in >>the land of KOOL-AID... > > Yeah, why would they think that? > > Just wondering without the energy to look it up -- how many times did Dusty hit the SS 2 nd in the order?
From: David Short on 6 Feb 2010 09:48 "Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam(a)NoThanks.net> wrote in message news:4b6d7dd0$0$18837$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com... > "John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message > news:hvspm595n70hqeuq9nbli5bs3sgrlccurc(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:06:35 -0800, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote: >> >> >>>If the Reds think this guy Cabrera is a number two hitter, they are >>>living in >>>the land of KOOL-AID... >> >> Yeah, why would they think that? >> >> > > > Just wondering without the energy to look it up -- how many times did > Dusty hit the SS 2 nd in the order? By count (whose OCD?) 68 times. Some of those where Hairston, which was appropriate. Some of those were A-Gon...which is understandable but misguided. I would say half of those were Janish at the end of the season which is darn unforgivable. dfs
From: Kommienezuspadt on 6 Feb 2010 13:41 "David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message news:hkjv7m$hon$1(a)posting.glorb.com... > "Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam(a)NoThanks.net> wrote in message > news:4b6d7dd0$0$18837$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com... >> "John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:hvspm595n70hqeuq9nbli5bs3sgrlccurc(a)4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:06:35 -0800, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote: >>> >>> >>>>If the Reds think this guy Cabrera is a number two hitter, they are >>>>living in >>>>the land of KOOL-AID... >>> >>> Yeah, why would they think that? >>> >>> >> >> >> Just wondering without the energy to look it up -- how many times did >> Dusty hit the SS 2 nd in the order? > > By count (whose OCD?) 68 times. Some of those where Hairston, which was > appropriate. Some of those were A-Gon...which is understandable but > misguided. I would say half of those were Janish at the end of the season > which is darn unforgivable. > > dfs > > > Thx -- strange thing perception --- I would have bet it was well over 100 times.... but when it was the hole it was ---- pain can be magnified ;-) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4842 (20100206) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
From: John Kasupski on 6 Feb 2010 13:49 On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:48:33 -0500, "David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: >"Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam(a)NoThanks.net> wrote in message >news:4b6d7dd0$0$18837$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com... >> Just wondering without the energy to look it up -- how many times did >> Dusty hit the SS 2 nd in the order? > >By count (whose OCD?) 68 times. Some of those where Hairston, which was >appropriate. Some of those were A-Gon...which is understandable but >misguided. I would say half of those were Janish at the end of the season >which is darn unforgivable. That depends on what you're using as a philosophy for putting together the batting order. If you're basing it on OBP, then hitting Janish in the #2 slot probably does seem insane - but then, why isn't anybody bitching about the fact that Stubbs will almost certainly be the leadoff hitter when he only put up a ..323 OBP in the majors, below the NL average of .340? Shouldn't Dickerson, who had a team-best .365 OBP as the leadoff man last year, be leading off? Instead of just saying that Baker is an idiot, which is so easy even a child can do it, let's look at a few non-numerical facts first, okay? For one thing, Stubbs wasn't even on the team until August, he was in Louisville, so Baker didn't have that option until after the organization decided it was time Stubbs got called up - and it IS an organizational decision, not Baker's decision...the GM assembles the roster, not the field manager, a point it seems people constantly ignore when they start criticizing Baker. He does not have the final say in the matter. In fact, considering that Walt Jocketty inherited Baker when he became the GM, for all we know Baker may have very little say in the matter, or even none at all. For another thing, in late August when Janish started playing regularly at short and hitting in the #2 slot, Dickerson was injured. Since Stubbs was leading off, who else would you have batting #2 after that? You want to put Votto, Phillips, Rolen there and weaken the middle of the order? No, because the guys in the 3-4-5 slots are supposed to drive in runs and those three guys are the best RBI men the team has. You want to put Balentien or Gomes there? Again bearing in mind that Baker is a baseball traditionalist and looking for contact in the #2 hole, the answer is no, because both Gomes and Balentien strike out at a higher rate than Janish. You want Corky Miller or Craig Tatum there? Because Hanigan and Hernandez went on the DL by then too. And again the answer is no, because he's also looking for someone in the #2 slot who runs the bases well, and that probably doesn't describe the catchers Miller and Tatum. So that's what Baker had to work with. Maybe what he's looking at isn't Janish's OBP but other things that don't necessarily show up in a box score or a spreadsheet: Does he hit behind runners, take pitches so a guy can steal, can he bunt...IOW, can he get the leadoff man into scoring position? Is he an aggressive hitter? Is he a good baserunner? Baker is not a stathead manager. If that's what you're looking for, you want Joe Maddon...have fun following the Rays this year. I'm not trying to insult anyone here or start up the saber vs. traditional argument again, I'm just stating a fact. WJ is not a stathead GM either, that's one reason he's not in St. Louis anymore. And even if you are going to go all saber on this - which Baker isn't - don't you still have to apply common sense when interpreting the data? The Reds had the best record in MLB from August 23 to the end of the season (27-13). That date is significant for two reasons. It's the day Rolen came off the DL, and it was the day before Baker put Stubbs in the leadoff slot and Janish in the #2 slot and pretty much left them there for good. The best record in baseball during that stretch - doesn't common sense tell us that if it isn't broken you don't screw with it? JK
From: John Kasupski on 6 Feb 2010 13:55
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:41:22 -0500, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam(a)NoWay.com> wrote: > >"David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message >news:hkjv7m$hon$1(a)posting.glorb.com... >>> Just wondering without the energy to look it up -- how many times did >>> Dusty hit the SS 2 nd in the order? >> >> By count (whose OCD?) 68 times. Some of those where Hairston, which was >> appropriate. Some of those were A-Gon...which is understandable but >> misguided. I would say half of those were Janish at the end of the season >> which is darn unforgivable. > >Thx -- strange thing perception --- I would have bet it was well over 100 >times.... but when it was the hole it was ---- pain can be magnified ;-) I get 72. Hairston was the most frequent #2 hitter with 55 times, but a lot of those were at another position. Janish had the second most and he only hit second 35 times, all of them from August 23 to the end of the season. Some hole...they had the best record in baseball from August 23 on. JK |