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From: David Short on 2 Feb 2010 10:42
From Chad over at Redleg nation.....

"I never like the idea of signing a 35-year-old shortstop, especially
one who played pretty poorly last year. There is some outside shot that
he�ll regain the fountain of youth and play like he did a few years ago.
That�s not likely, and committing several million to that hope seems
like a foolish game to play, but let�s face it: Janish stinks too. We�re
just talking about different shades of suckitude. Neither guy is going
to be the guy to lead the Reds to the next level."

"All this gnashing of teeth over two bad shortstops, Orlando Cabrera and
Paul Janish, makes me think one thing: I really miss Barry Larkin."

There you go. Cabrera, Miles, some cash and a ptbnl or Wily Taveras and
Adam Rosales? Seems like a pretty easy choice.

Who got the best player in the deal? .....Rosales is probably the best
of the lot, but he wasn't going to play here and ...well he kind of
fouled the nest last year. If you are a position player and you hit 213
with the big league club, then it really doesn't matter what else you
bring to the table in terms of hustle, defense or whatever, they look
for ways to get rid of you. With Francisco and Frazier and a host of
shortstop prospects all ready to become major league utility
guys.....there really wasn't a place for Rosales.

You can't like the Cabrera signing if A. you thought Janish was going to
hit 260. OR B. You think Frazier is ready to be a major league shortstop
right now. Other than that, this was a good thing.

I still don't get the deal from Oakland's perspective. Just crazy.

dfs
From: John Kasupski on 2 Feb 2010 13:06
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:42:15 -0500, David Short
<David.No.Short.(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote:

>I still don't get the deal from Oakland's perspective. Just crazy.

The A's wanted a utility infielder who could play shortstop, and apparently feel
that Rosales meets that need better than Miles does. They're actually hoping
Eric Chavez will be healthy enough to be the utility player, so they also needed
somebody with options left in case Chavez can play. Rosales has options left.

The deal the A's made to get Miles from the Cubs included $1 million for
salaries - not specifically tied to Miles. Oakland gets to keep that $1 million
from the Cubbies, sheds the $2.7 million that Miles' salary counted against
their payroll, and if they have to eat Taveras' salary, it means Beane basically
paid $1.3 million for Rosales.

That's assuming Beane doesn't manage to deal Taveras elsewhere. You'd think that
to be unlikely with Taveras' salary, but that factor obviously didn't prevent
Jocketty from trading him.

Rosales is also younger. In a year or two, he could be their starter at 3B.

JK

From: David Short on 2 Feb 2010 13:47
On 2/2/2010 1:06 PM, John Kasupski wrote:
> Rosales is also younger. In a year or two, he could be their starter at 3B.

While this is true, Rosales isn't young.
He's at his peak and he hit 210 last year.
He's better than that, but that doesn't mean he's good.

Anybodies minor league system should have at least one Adam Rosales.
Heck, the reds have...three maybe more. You don't pay money for these
kind of guys, you pick them up as minor league free agents.

dfs
From: HTP on 2 Feb 2010 13:56
On Feb 2, 10:06 am, John Kasupski <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net>
wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:42:15 -0500, David Short
>
> <David.No.Sho...(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote:
> >I still don't get the deal from Oakland's perspective. Just crazy.
>
> The A's wanted a utility infielder who could play shortstop, and apparently feel
> that Rosales meets that need better than Miles does. They're actually hoping
> Eric Chavez will be healthy enough to be the utility player, so they also needed
> somebody with options left in case Chavez can play. Rosales has options left.  
>
> The deal the A's made to get Miles from the Cubs included $1 million for
> salaries - not specifically tied to Miles. Oakland gets to keep that $1 million
> from the Cubbies, sheds the $2.7 million that Miles' salary counted against
> their payroll, and if they have to eat Taveras' salary, it means Beane basically
> paid $1.3 million for Rosales.
>
> That's assuming Beane doesn't manage to deal Taveras elsewhere. You'd think that
> to be unlikely with Taveras' salary, but that factor obviously didn't prevent
> Jocketty from trading him.
>
> Rosales is also younger. In a year or two, he could be their starter at 3B.
>

Unless he gets hurt or shows that he clearly cant field the position,
i have to think that Brett Wallace - the main target in the Holday
trade, is the future starting thirdbaseman, perhaps as early as this
April.

From: JustTom on 4 Feb 2010 12:12
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:42:15 -0500, David Short
<David.No.Short.(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote:

> From Chad over at Redleg nation.....
>
>
>There you go. Cabrera, Miles, some cash and a ptbnl or Wily Taveras and
>Adam Rosales? Seems like a pretty easy choice.
>

Actually, having even more cash and NOT having Cabrera seems an even
easier choice.


However, in any deal where it looks like Adam Rosales is the best
player, and worse, is somehow thought to be worth $1.3 M plus a PTBNL,
begs the most obvious question.

What's going on with Beane?

That's a wad o'cash for a waiver wire guy. Add that to the big push
he had for Chapman, and the large overspend he did for Sheets, all
seem a bit out of character.



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