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From: Kommienezuspadt on 8 Feb 2010 10:20 "Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam(a)NoThanks.net> wrote in message news:4b701d4b$0$22634$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com... > > "John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message > news:6f6vm51tk6128h69o02f2duv7fr9emr4fi(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:22:29 -0500, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoSpam(a)NoWay.com> >> wrote: >> >>>OK -- let's leave Janish there in the 2 hole & see what happens --- ;-)) >> >> I thought that's what they were going to do, but lately there's been talk >> about >> another player, some guy named Cabrera...and regardless of what I have >> said in >> this thread in defense of Janish, I do think O-Cab is an upgrade over >> Janish >> offensively. Whether he's still good enough with the leather to make what >> he >> does with the lumber stand up...well, I guess we'll start finding out in >> a few >> more weeks. >> >> JK >> > > We're both seeing the Cabera addition in the same light -- I assume he'll > be an upgrade offensively -- if he hits in the 2 hole he'll be better than > what we had -- but I agree that it will be by a matter of degrees and I > don't see a great option in the 1 hole either. > wow -- typos fixed above --- ;-)
From: RJA on 8 Feb 2010 11:41 On Feb 6, 1:49 pm, John Kasupski <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:48:33 -0500, "David Short" > > <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: > >"Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote in message > >news:4b6d7dd0$0$18837$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com... > >> Just wondering without the energy to look it up -- how many times did > >> Dusty hit the SS 2 nd in the order? > > >By count (whose OCD?) 68 times. Some of those where Hairston, which was > >appropriate. Some of those were A-Gon...which is understandable but > >misguided. I would say half of those were Janish at the end of the season > >which is darn unforgivable. > > That depends on what you're using as a philosophy for putting together the > batting order. If you're basing it on OBP, then hitting Janish in the #2 slot > probably does seem insane - but then, why isn't anybody bitching about the fact > that Stubbs will almost certainly be the leadoff hitter when he only put up a > .323 OBP in the majors, below the NL average of .340? Shouldn't Dickerson, who > had a team-best .365 OBP as the leadoff man last year, be leading off? They should probably platoon in CF for now. Stubbs showed that he can walk in the minors, so that patience should help to raise that number at some point assuming his average doesn't plummet. > Instead of just saying that Baker is an idiot, which is so easy even a child can > do it, let's look at a few non-numerical facts first, okay? > > For one thing, Stubbs wasn't even on the team until August, he was in > Louisville, so Baker didn't have that option until after the organization > decided it was time Stubbs got called up - and it IS an organizational decision, > not Baker's decision...the GM assembles the roster, not the field manager, a > point it seems people constantly ignore when they start criticizing Baker.. He > does not have the final say in the matter. In fact, considering that Walt > Jocketty inherited Baker when he became the GM, for all we know Baker may have > very little say in the matter, or even none at all. IIRC, Baker played Taveras plenty over Dickerson, who was getting on base at an above average clip. That's why he's an idiot. > For another thing, in late August when Janish started playing regularly at short > and hitting in the #2 slot, Dickerson was injured. Since Stubbs was leading off, > who else would you have batting #2 after that? You want to put Votto, Phillips, > Rolen there and weaken the middle of the order? No, because the guys in the > 3-4-5 slots are supposed to drive in runs and those three guys are the best RBI > men the team has. You want to put Balentien or Gomes there? Again bearing in > mind that Baker is a baseball traditionalist and looking for contact in the #2 > hole, the answer is no, because both Gomes and Balentien strike out at a higher > rate than Janish. You want Corky Miller or Craig Tatum there? Because Hanigan > and Hernandez went on the DL by then too. And again the answer is no, because > he's also looking for someone in the #2 slot who runs the bases well, and that > probably doesn't describe the catchers Miller and Tatum. Prior to the injuries, Alex Gonzalez was getting plenty of time batting 2nd. He's another out-machine. What's the excuse for him? > So that's what Baker had to work with. Maybe what he's looking at isn't Janish's > OBP but other things that don't necessarily show up in a box score or a > spreadsheet: Does he hit behind runners, take pitches so a guy can steal, can he > bunt...IOW, can he get the leadoff man into scoring position? Is he an > aggressive hitter? Is he a good baserunner? Baker is not a stathead manager. If > that's what you're looking for, you want Joe Maddon...have fun following the > Rays this year. I'm not trying to insult anyone here or start up the saber vs. > traditional argument again, I'm just stating a fact. WJ is not a stathead GM > either, that's one reason he's not in St. Louis anymore. It doesn't matter though, because Janish is so bad of a hitter that you can't justify batting him 2nd just for the sake of these "nice-to- haves." > And even if you are going to go all saber on this - which Baker isn't - don't > you still have to apply common sense when interpreting the data? The Reds had > the best record in MLB from August 23 to the end of the season (27-13). That > date is significant for two reasons. It's the day Rolen came off the DL, and it > was the day before Baker put Stubbs in the leadoff slot and Janish in the #2 > slot and pretty much left them there for good. The best record in baseball > during that stretch - doesn't common sense tell us that if it isn't broken you > don't screw with it? Common sense would tell me that Janish batting 2nd with his putrid numbers didn't have much to do with the strong finish.
From: David Short on 8 Feb 2010 11:59 On 2/8/2010 11:41 AM, RJA wrote: > On Feb 6, 1:49 pm, John Kasupski<w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:48:33 -0500, "David Short" >> >> <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: >>> "Kommienezuspadt"<NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote in message >>> news:4b6d7dd0$0$18837$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com... >>>> Just wondering without the energy to look it up -- how many times did >>>> Dusty hit the SS 2 nd in the order? >> >>> By count (whose OCD?) 68 times. Some of those where Hairston, which was >>> appropriate. Some of those were A-Gon...which is understandable but >>> misguided. I would say half of those were Janish at the end of the season >>> which is darn unforgivable. >> >> That depends on what you're using as a philosophy for putting together the >> batting order. If you're basing it on OBP, then hitting Janish in the #2 slot >> probably does seem insane - but then, why isn't anybody bitching about the fact >> that Stubbs will almost certainly be the leadoff hitter when he only put up a >> .323 OBP in the majors, below the NL average of .340? Shouldn't Dickerson, who >> had a team-best .365 OBP as the leadoff man last year, be leading off? > > They should probably platoon in CF for now. Stubbs showed that he can > walk in the minors, so that patience should help to raise that number > at some point assuming his average doesn't plummet. For what it's worth, the question about Stubbs since day 1 as a professional was would he make enough contact or not. He seemed to make extraordinary progress last year at the major league level. It's ENTIRELY possible that Stubbs could start hitting like Janish. dfs
From: Ron Johnson on 8 Feb 2010 15:34 On Feb 8, 3:30 pm, David Short <David.No.Sho...(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote: > > As I mentioned elsewhere. I don't think the opening day left fielder is > in the organization right now. Can you get waffles and chicken in Cincinnati?
From: David Short on 8 Feb 2010 15:47
On 2/8/2010 3:34 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Feb 8, 3:30 pm, David Short > <David.No.Sho...(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote: > >> >> As I mentioned elsewhere. I don't think the opening day left fielder is >> in the organization right now. > > Can you get waffles and chicken in Cincinnati? I'm missing something..... dfs |