From: Ruben Safir on
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:48:08 -0800, jonathan wrote:

> Torre and Biggio were not on the wane. They were moved early enough in
> their careers. The other group of Hall of Fame catchers you bring up
> were only moved once their offensive production had waned.
> I guess you would have no catchers in the Hall of Fame. Interesting . .
> .

Your missing my point though. All those catchers come up with the same
similarity scores because their position affected their offense.

From: jonathan on
On Dec 23, 7:40 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:48:12 -0800, jonathan wrote:
> > Arod as a SS was one of the rarest commodities in baseball history.
> Your making a mistake.  If AROD was still playing SS he'd had likely
> played less games and his hitting would be waining.  It was a smart move,
> regardless of why it was made, and it does support his production and
> will extend his career.  
> Ruben

Arod hasn't played a full season in 3 years . . . but I assume you're
going to tell me that's from the pounding he took as a shortstop
finally catching up with him.

This is going to be inexact because I can't find any site that sorts
games played by position, but . . . at casual glance, there are for
more shortstops then third basemen at the top of the games played
list. There's very little evidence a player takes any more of a
'pounding' at one versus the other. Perhaps you've forgotten it was a
shortstop who set a consecutive games played record.
From: jonathan on
On Dec 23, 7:36 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:48:12 -0800, jonathan wrote:
> > I'm sorry Ruben, but I still disagree.  Value is a function of what it
> > takes to replace that player.  Piazza is, to this point, unique in
> > baseball history.  There is no player who can replace him.  That makes
> > him incredibly valuable.  Lou Gehrig was not unique.  Albert Pujols or
> > Hank Greenberg could replace him.  In today's game, Pujols is unique
> > because there is no other player in the game who can do what he does,
> > regardless of his position.  Because Piazza was a catcher, the Mets are
> > gaining offense at a normally offense-deprived position.  This
> > theoretically would have allowed them to get offense at other positions
> > and theoretically be a stronger roster as a result.
> It doesn't work like that in the real world.  You have nine guys on the
> field and the Mets would have been much better off if Piazza was at 1st
> base and Todd Zeile was catching.
> Ruben

1. At the time, Zeile hadn't caught in 10 years.

2. I forgot to list Zeile with Biggio and Torre as players who got
moved out from behind the plate earlier in their careers. Dale Murphy
comes to mind as well.
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