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From: Ruben Safir on 23 Dec 2009 19:51 On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:48:08 -0800, jonathan wrote: > Torre and Biggio were not on the wane. They were moved early enough in > their careers. The other group of Hall of Fame catchers you bring up > were only moved once their offensive production had waned. > > I guess you would have no catchers in the Hall of Fame. Interesting . . > . Your missing my point though. All those catchers come up with the same similarity scores because their position affected their offense. Ruben
From: jonathan on 23 Dec 2009 20:06 On Dec 23, 7:40 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:48:12 -0800, jonathan wrote: > > Arod as a SS was one of the rarest commodities in baseball history. > > Your making a mistake. If AROD was still playing SS he'd had likely > played less games and his hitting would be waining. It was a smart move, > regardless of why it was made, and it does support his production and > will extend his career. > > Ruben Arod hasn't played a full season in 3 years . . . but I assume you're going to tell me that's from the pounding he took as a shortstop finally catching up with him. This is going to be inexact because I can't find any site that sorts games played by position, but . . . at casual glance, there are for more shortstops then third basemen at the top of the games played list. There's very little evidence a player takes any more of a 'pounding' at one versus the other. Perhaps you've forgotten it was a shortstop who set a consecutive games played record.
From: jonathan on 23 Dec 2009 20:09
On Dec 23, 7:36 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:48:12 -0800, jonathan wrote: > > I'm sorry Ruben, but I still disagree. Value is a function of what it > > takes to replace that player. Piazza is, to this point, unique in > > baseball history. There is no player who can replace him. That makes > > him incredibly valuable. Lou Gehrig was not unique. Albert Pujols or > > Hank Greenberg could replace him. In today's game, Pujols is unique > > because there is no other player in the game who can do what he does, > > regardless of his position. Because Piazza was a catcher, the Mets are > > gaining offense at a normally offense-deprived position. This > > theoretically would have allowed them to get offense at other positions > > and theoretically be a stronger roster as a result. > > It doesn't work like that in the real world. You have nine guys on the > field and the Mets would have been much better off if Piazza was at 1st > base and Todd Zeile was catching. > > Ruben 1. At the time, Zeile hadn't caught in 10 years. 2. I forgot to list Zeile with Biggio and Torre as players who got moved out from behind the plate earlier in their careers. Dale Murphy comes to mind as well. |