From: jonathan on
On Dec 21, 11:51 pm, ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:27:19 -0800, jonathan wrote:
> >> >  Gee, maybe they
> >> > can deal Francouer and Oliver Perez for Zack Greinke.
>
> >> Strangely enough, I'm not certain that is a good trade.  I doubt
> >> Greinke would pitch well in NY
>
> >> Ruben
>
> > I agree.  He knows what FIP is.  Dan Warthen would be completely
> > confused.  He'd want him to just try to 'throw hard'.
>
> Seriously Jon.  When you read his interviews ... he doesn't like being in
> critical crowd situations...and says so plainly

He has Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder. I'm not getting into a
medical debate with you, but these are real conditions and he's being
treated for them. I'm not convinced his experience would be any
different in Kansas City then in New York City relative to these
conditions. There are plenty of people in New York City who suffer
from both.

Meanwhile, plenty of very private players who didn't like the big city
life have thrived in NYC. John Olerud is a perfect example, as is
Bernie Williams. In some ways I think that's an advantage. If you
perform and keep to yourself, people don't tend to bother you that
much. It's the ones who fail and/or make themselves a story in
themselves who tend to have issues.
From: Ruben Safir on
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:05:21 -0800, jonathan wrote:


>> That is what I mean that time is ticking.  He needs to establish
>> himself this season, IMO, on the minor league level.
>>
>> Ruben
>
> I agree with that. I think a strong season in AA would be a good
> springboard for him.



Well, I was was just explaining that comment. Its not that I was dissing
him, but pointing out that it is now or never for him to show that he's a
real MLB prospect. Its the right age and the right level.

Ruben
From: Ruben Safir on
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:55:29 -0800, jonathan wrote:


> No, from the Red Sox point of view, the point is to win games. You do
> that by scoring more runs then you allow. If that means you reduce the
> amount of runs you allow relative to what you score and that's a more
> sound investment then adding to the runs you score, then that's what
> they will do. The Red Sox are using run differential as opposed to runs
> scored or runs allowed as the critical metric.



Yeah that's nice. Its a fools errand. If Cameron is patrolling RF for
Boston next season his defense will mean squat. They might happen to
need a CF and Cameron can make a sizable contribution, POSSIBLY, for them
by bumping out an inferior hitter for an experienced CF how has moderate
production, as opposed to inferior production. That will drive up their
run differential. There is no way Cameron would ever displace Jason Bay
in a corner OF slot, especially if a superior defensive CFer is
patrolling the OF. And in no way does signing Cameron mean they didn't/
don't need a slugger in their line up who can put up a 140 OP or above.
They still seem to have that need.

Ruben
Ruben
From: Ruben Safir on
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:04:19 -0800, jonathan wrote:

>> I agree. Especially the way the ownership is handling this.  There are
>> NO SHORT LEASHES, IMO.  If someone is on a short leesh, just LET HIM
>> GO.
>>
>> Ruben
>
> I agree with that. So my basic point is that they should fire him
> because I don't have any confidence he's going to make good decisions
> given all of the factors we've discussed.



Yeah - I agree with that. With the words they have put out, they should
let him go know instead of waiting for midnight in the middle of a plane
ride in June.

Ruben
From: Ruben Safir on
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:09:05 -0800, jonathan wrote:


>> Seriously Jon.  When you read his interviews ... he doesn't like being
>> in critical crowd situations...and says so plainly
>
> He has Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder. I'm not getting into a
> medical debate with you, but these are real conditions and he's being
> treated for them. I'm not convinced his experience would be any
> different in Kansas City then in New York City relative to these
> conditions. There are plenty of people in New York City who suffer from
> both.

Yeah but they don't live their lives on the back page of the NY Post and
get boo'd by 45K people in a public arena why standing on center stage.

>
> Meanwhile, plenty of very private players who didn't like the big city
> life have thrived in NYC. John Olerud is a perfect example, as is

One of the great things I loved about Olerud is that he took the 7 train
to the stadium every day. I think that is special and reminds me of the
stories my father told me of meeting old Dodgers, especially Nuke, Reese
and Hodges, in around town.


There is one difference her though. Olerud wasn't unstable. He was just
to himself and an unfunny thing is that was is that his low temperament
might have contributed to his not being appreciated enough by the team.
Letting Olerud go bothers me more than the Kazmir trade.

> Bernie Williams. In some ways I think that's an advantage. If you
> perform and keep to yourself, people don't tend to bother you that much.
> It's the ones who fail and/or make themselves a story in themselves who
> tend to have issues.

Bobby Bonilla?
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