The Rose Award For 6-10-2007.
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From: SkippyPB on 13 Jun 2007 13:17 On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:12:19 GMT, rm(a)biteme.org wrote: >In rec.sport.baseball SkippyPB <swiegand(a)nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote: > >> I beg to differ. I think of Pete Rose as an arrogant, cheating, lying >> sack of sh*t. The greatest hitter of all time was Ty Cobb, bar none. > >Maybe you missed it, but Rose actually passed Cobb in hits. And >that makes Rose the greatest hitter since he has the greatest number >of hits. > >Cobb is second. > >cordially, as always, > >rm Didn't miss it all. Doesn't mean Ty wasn't a better hitter. Rose put his pursuit of the record ahead of what his team (the Phillies at the time I believe) needed by benching a better player and putting himself in the game in order to get a meaningless or useless single. He may have amassed more hits than Cobb but he was never a better hitter than Cobb. Regards, //// (o o) -oOO--(_)--OOo- "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test. -- George W. Bush (on Education reform, Feb 21, 2001) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Remove nospam to email me. Steve
From: Steve Cutchen on 13 Jun 2007 13:38 In article <7bTbi.737663$9i2.665268(a)fe06.news.easynews.com>, <rm(a)biteme.org> wrote: > In rec.sport.baseball Steve Cutchen <maxfaq(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > Rule 21(d) provides: > > > Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall > > bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which > > the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared permanently > > ineligible. > > Where in the rule do you find that it is acceptable to bet even on > > your own team to win? > > We find the rule itself unacceptable. And unacceptable rules > should, and often are, ignored. If that is your ethics, well... that stands on it's own and characterizes your position pretty well. I guess from that point of view, I can understand why you feel as you do. I can certainly see how you would find Pete a hero with your morality basis.
From: Steve Cutchen on 13 Jun 2007 13:45 In article <ncTbi.737672$9i2.289935(a)fe06.news.easynews.com>, <rm(a)biteme.org> wrote: > In rec.sport.baseball Steve Cutchen <maxfaq(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > >> You cannot agree to be banned. > > > > You can agree to sign an agreement, which, by definition > > and without qualification, constitutes agreement. > > If there is agreement, then there is no ban. So if Pete had not agreed to be declared permanently ineligible in ccordance with Major League Rule 21 and placed on the Ineligible List, then he would have banned instead of agreeing to be permanently ineligible. Ooooooh Kay. Look, I understand now where your morals, or lack thereof, comes from. With your lack ethics so declared, it seems pointless to continue to try to discuss Pete's ethics. I hope all of you have a nice day.
From: rm on 13 Jun 2007 14:23 In rec.sport.baseball TenderRage <C.TenderRage(a)gmail.com> wrote: > gambling affects the "natural" order of the game. > money motivates one to do more than just win or to > (horrible concept) to deliberately lose. > gambling on sports isn't a good thing. > I don't mean bar bets and local stuff.... > I mean the big time bets where teams and players > can be cajoled (sp) into doing the wrong thing for profit. But there is nothing wrong with betting on yourself to win. cordially, as always, rm
From: rm on 13 Jun 2007 14:35
In rec.sport.baseball SkippyPB <swiegand(a)nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote: > Didn't miss it all. Doesn't mean Ty wasn't a better hitter. Rose put > his pursuit of the record ahead of what his team (the Phillies at the > time I believe) needed by benching a better player and putting himself > in the game in order to get a meaningless or useless single. He may > have amassed more hits than Cobb but he was never a better hitter than > Cobb. He put himself in the game while he managed the Reds. But he did win the WS with the Phillies. And he won 2 WS with the Reds. That is 3 more than Ty Cobb ever won. What's more, Pete won the 1975 WS MVP. Cobb was terrible in the WS. He didn't lead his team to a win. Pete Rose remains the greatest hitter of all time, by definition and without qualification. Ty Cobb remains the greatest hitter who ever lived, who didn't face black pitching, and didn't win the WS. cordially, as always, rm |