The Rose Award For 6-10-2007.
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From: Onyx_Hokie on 14 Jun 2007 02:17 ** <rm(a)biteme.org> ** Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:10:14 GMT > In rec.sport.baseball Onyx_Hokie <onyx_hokie(a)yahoo.cem> wrote: > > ** <rm(a)biteme.org> > > >> Only to non-sport fans. Real sport fans think of Pete Rose as the > >> greatest hitter of all time, by definition, and without > >> qualification. > > > > Most prolific != greatest > > Sorry, bub. But the hitter with the greatest number of hits, is the > greatest hitter. You intentionally mis-use the term to grant a status to Rose which he hasn't earned with his on-field accomplishments and CERTAINLY doesn't deserve based on his character (or significant lack thereof). He's the most prolific hitter ever... that's granted. He's FAR from the game's "greatest hitter of all time".
From: rm on 14 Jun 2007 02:32 In rec.sport.baseball Onyx_Hokie <onyx_hokie(a)yahoo.cem> wrote: > ** <rm(a)biteme.org> >> > Most prolific != greatest >> Sorry, bub. But the hitter with the greatest number of hits, is >> the greatest hitter. > You intentionally mis-use the term to grant a status to Rose which > he Greatest? We simply use the everyday meaning, the one that is in the dictionary. That's why we say that Rose is the greatest, by definition and without qualification. > hasn't earned with his on-field accomplishments and CERTAINLY > doesn't deserve based on his character (or significant lack > thereof). What on earth does his character have to do with his unparalled hitting? > He's the most prolific hitter ever... that's granted. He's FAR > from the game's "greatest hitter of all time". Since he has the greatest number of hits, he is the game's greatest hitter. Simple logic. cordially, as always, rm -- A statfan, who refused to fly after reading of the alarmingly high probability that there will be a bomb on any given plane, realized that the probability of there being two bombs on any given flight is very low. Now, whenever he flies, he carries a bomb with him.
From: slidge on 14 Jun 2007 08:22 > Sorry, bub. But the hitter with the greatest number of hits, is the > greatest hitter. > Wrong. 'Greatest' is *the* qualifier. The player with the most number of hits is nothing more than the player with the most hits. The greatest hitter is the player with the most total bases, by definition and WITHOUT qualification.
From: slidge on 14 Jun 2007 08:27 >> You intentionally mis-use the term to grant a status to Rose which >> he > > Greatest? We simply use the everyday meaning, the one that is in the > dictionary. That's why we say that Rose is the greatest, by definition > and without qualification. Wrong, again! The 'everyday' meaning of 'great' is "Of things, actions, events: Of more than ordinary importance, weight or distinction; important, weighty; distinguished, prominent; famous, renowned" (Oxford English Dictionary). When we say the "Greatest Generation", we are referring to that generation that distinguished itself by rising to the occasion during the Depression and World War II - we don't refer to them as that because they had the most people. The 'greatest hitter' is therefore the hitter that distinguished himself above all others, and if you are going purely on statistics, its the player with the most total bases, by definition and without qualification.
From: rm on 14 Jun 2007 10:57
In rec.sport.baseball slidge(a)slidge.com wrote: >> Sorry, bub. But the hitter with the greatest number of hits, is >> the greatest hitter. > Wrong. 'Greatest' is *the* qualifier. The player with the most > number of hits is nothing more than the player with the most hits. Greatest = most. The player with the greatest number of hits is simply the greatest hitter. You have to learn how to use the language concisely and accurately. > The greatest hitter is the player with the most total bases, by > definition and WITHOUT qualification. No, you are qualifying "greatest hitter" by claiming that it is the hitter with the most total bases. Hit = bases. Pete Rose remains the game's greatest hitter, by defintion and without qualifiction. Now, run along and play with the others. cordially, as always, rm -- A statfan, who refused to fly after reading of the alarmingly high probability that there will be a bomb on any given plane, realized that the probability of there being two bombs on any given flight is very low. Now, whenever he flies, he carries a bomb with him. |