The Rose Award For 6-10-2007.
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From: Onyx_Hokie on 14 Jun 2007 15:13 ** Archie Leach <a(a)q.l> ** Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:40:11 GMT > Onyx_Hokie <onyx_hokie(a)yahoo.cem> wrote: > > >** <rm(a)biteme.org> > >** Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:10:14 GMT > > > >> In rec.sport.baseball Onyx_Hokie <onyx_hokie(a)yahoo.cem> wrote: > >> > ** <rm(a)biteme.org> > >> > >> >> Only to non-sport fans. Real sport fans think of Pete Rose as the > >> >> greatest hitter of all time, by definition, and without > >> >> qualification. > >> > > >> > Most prolific != greatest > >> > >> Sorry, bub. But the hitter with the greatest number of hits, is the > >> greatest hitter. > > > >You intentionally mis-use the term to grant a status to Rose which he > >hasn't earned with his on-field accomplishments and CERTAINLY doesn't > >deserve based on his character (or significant lack thereof). > > > >He's the most prolific hitter ever... that's granted. He's FAR from the > >game's "greatest hitter of all time". > > Except when playing blackjack in the clubhouse, perhaps. Well yes, there is that.
From: slidge on 14 Jun 2007 15:48 > http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/great?view=uk > > great adjective > 1. of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above average. > Wrong. The full OED, not the compact version, says otherwise. Look it up, but you'll need a subscription to their website.
From: slidge on 14 Jun 2007 15:49 > You should actually read a dictionary before you type such stuff because > it makes you look silly. Here's a hint: type the words great definition > into your browser's search window. And we know it's true because its on the Internet. And we also won World War II because we had the most people ever.
From: slidge on 14 Jun 2007 15:55 >> Wrong. 'Greatest' is *the* qualifier. The player with the most >> number of hits is nothing more than the player with the most hits. > > Greatest = most. The player with the greatest number of hits is > simply the greatest hitter. > Wrong! The Greatest Generation. The Greatest Show on Earth. Muhammed Ali, the Greatest. A 'greatest hits' album. Not the Most Generation. The Most Shows on Earth. Muhammed Ali, the Most. A 'more hits than anyone else' album.
From: TenderRage on 14 Jun 2007 22:43
On Jun 14, 11:06 am, r...(a)biteme.org wrote: > In rec.sport.baseball sli...(a)slidge.com wrote: > >>> You intentionally mis-use the term to grant a status to Rose > >>> which he > >> Greatest? We simply use the everyday meaning, the one that is in > >> the dictionary. That's why we say that Rose is the greatest, by > >> definition and without qualification. > > Wrong, again! The 'everyday' meaning of 'great' is "Of things, > > actions, events: Of more than ordinary importance, weight or > > distinction; important, weighty; distinguished, prominent; famous, > > renowned" (Oxford English Dictionary). When we say the "Greatest > > Generation", we are referring to that generation that > > distinguished itself by rising to the occasion during the > > Depression and World War II - we don't refer to them as that > > because they had the most people. > > Compact Oxford English Dictionaryhttp://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/great?view=uk > > great adjective > 1. of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above average. > > http://www.answers.com/topic/great > > great (gr?t) pronunciation > adj., great?er, great?est. > > 1. Very large in size. > 2. Larger in size than others of the same kind. > 3. Large in quantity or number: A great throng awaited us. > > Sorry, sweetie. You lose. Again. Both Oxford and Answers.com says > you're wrong. Again. > > > The 'greatest hitter' is therefore the hitter that distinguished > > himself above all others, and if you are going purely on > > statistics, its the player with the most total bases, by > > definition and without qualification. > > You are using the secondary meaning. We are using the primary > meaning in both the Oxford and any other dictionary we have looked > at. > > Your job now is to look up the word "primary." > > cordially, as always, > > rm Consider the meaning from this perspective: greatness, noun -Synonyms 1. immense, enormous, gigantic, huge, vast, grand. Great, big, large refer to size, extent, and degree. In reference to the size and extent of concrete objects, big is the most general and most colloquial word, large is somewhat more formal, and great is highly formal and even poetic, suggesting also that the object is notable or imposing: a big tree; a large tree; a great oak; a big field; a large field; great plains. When the reference is to degree or a quality, great is the usual word: great beauty; great mistake; great surprise; although big sometimes alternates with it in colloquial style: a big mistake; a big surprise; large is not used in reference to degree, but may be used in a quantitative reference: a large number (great number). 6. noteworthy. 7. weighty, serious, momentous, vital, critical. 8. famed, eminent, noted, notable, prominent, renowned. 9. elevated, exalted, dignified. 10. main, grand, leading. -Antonyms 1. small. 6-8, 10, 11, 14. insignificant. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. and then..... great (gr t) Pronunciation Key adj. great·er, great·est Very large in size. Larger in size than others of the same kind. Large in quantity or number: A great throng awaited us. See Synonyms at large. Extensive in time or distance: a great delay. Remarkable or outstanding in magnitude, degree, or extent: a great crisis. Of outstanding significance or importance: a great work of art. Chief or principal: the great house on the estate. Superior in quality or character; noble: "For he was great, ere fortune made him so" (John Dryden). Powerful; influential: one of the great nations of the West. Eminent; distinguished: a great leader. Grand; aristocratic. Informal Enthusiastic: a great lover of music. Informal Very skillful: great at algebra. Informal Very good; first-rate: We had a great time at the dance. Being one generation removed from the relative specified. Often used in combination: a great-granddaughter. Archaic Pregnant. |