From: Steve Cutchen on
In article <m4Fbi.83424$d22.60329(a)>,
<rm(a)> wrote:

> Again, whose interests are conflicted when you bet on yourself to
> win?

I think it was April 13.

The Yankees lost 5-4 in the 11th inning with Brian Bruney on the mound.
Torre had sent 5 relievers in, but not Rivera who hadn't pitched in a
while. �

With one out in the 11th, Bruney allowed a triple and then hit a batter
before Torre had him issue an intentional walk to load the bases.

The best shot in that game might have been Rivera. But Rivera is 37
years old. Torre is using him sparingly, specifically eyeing the long
run of the season more than the single game.

Willie Randolph said , "You don't manage every game like it is the 7th
game of the WS. "

Pete Rose would disagree. "You do if you got a bet down."
From: TenderRage on
On Jun 12, 12:48?pm, r...(a) wrote:
> In John Poutre <mehates...(a)> wrote:
> > <r...(a)> wrote in message
> >> In SkippyPB <swieg...(a)> wrote:
> >>> I beg to differ. I think of Pete Rose as an arrogant, cheating, lying
> >>> sack of sh*t. The greatest hitter of all time was Ty Cobb, bar none.
> >> Maybe you missed it, but Rose actually passed Cobb in hits. And
> >> that makes Rose the greatest hitter since he has the greatest number
> >> of hits.
> >> Cobb is second.
> > HAHA, umm, how many more at bats did it take Rose to get those hits? ALOT.
> > Geeze, it's not even close that Cobb is better.
> We aren't measuring atbats. We're trying to determine which player
> had the _greatest_ number of hits. That player would be the
> _greatest_ hitter, by definition and without qualification.
> What you are trying to say is that Cobb was the greater hitter but
> qualified by fewer atbats. You could also say that Cobb was the
> greatest hitter qualified by the phrase, "of those who only faced
> white pitching." Or perhaps, "of those who played for the Detroit
> Tigers" or even more salient, "of those who never won a World
> Series."
> cordially, as always,
> rm

Plain and simple you work the percentages.
Cobb far exceeds what Rose did proportionately.
You must lose a lot of bets.

From: TenderRage on
On Jun 12, 1:07?pm, "Bill Kawalec" <billkawa...(a)> wrote:
> --
> I never read email at the Yahoo address!<r...(a)> wrote in message
> news:69ybi.106156$NO1.62006(a)
> > In Phil <p...(a)> wrote:
> >> Isn't the Rose Award forever associated with cheating by its very
> >> nature?
> > Only to non-sport fans. Real sport fans think of Pete Rose as the
> > greatest hitter of all time,
> pfffffttt!! Even Pete Rose doesn't consider Pete Rose "the greatest hitter
> of all time." He'll be the first to admit that he wasn't as good a
> ballplayer as Ty Cob, or Ted Williams, or probably a hundred others.
> by definition, and without
> > qualification.
> > cordially, as always,
> > rm- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Very true. He had no delusions of grandeur.

From: TenderRage on
On Jun 12, 1:17?pm, sli...(a) wrote:
> > We aren't measuring atbats. We're trying to determine which player
> > had the _greatest_ number of hits.
> Wrong, you are determining which player had the *most* hits
> > That player would be the _greatest_ hitter, by definition and without
> > qualification.
> Again, wrong. The _greatest_ hitter, by definition and without
> qualification, is the hitter with the most total bases, unless you believe
> that a single is a _greater_ hit than a homerun.

sorta kinda like thinking of bowling?
being able to make difficult spares...will never
amount to someone who averages more strikes?
but who would be the greatest clutch hitter.
getting what ever is necessary to score especially
when there are guys on base?

From: TenderRage on
On Jun 12, 4:52?pm, Brian Matthews <nooneca...(a)> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:14:11 GMT, Phil <p...(a)> wrote:
> >> As we said, Pete Rose is remembered by the sport fan as the greatest
> >> hitter of all time, by definition and without qualification.
> Then why isn't he in the Hall of Fame? Most people I know associate
> Rose with gambling and would never even know how many hits he ended up
> with. It's not like Ruth's 714 or Aaron's 755 home run totals. His
> entire career is in the dumpster, where it belongs, because of his
> lack of self control with gambling. Gambling is an addiction, just
> like drugs. Unlike drugs, however, is the element it introduces in the
> game. The ability to throw a game, as either a player or manager, is
> too great to be overlooked. A pitching change here or there could make
> the entire games outcome different. Pete Rose is right where he
> belongs; banned from the game for life. As far as I'm concerned, they
> should erase ANY record he holds. A convicted liar and cheater DOES
> NOT make the game look good.
> Brian

Great point!!!

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