The Rose Award For 6-10-2007.
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From: rm on 15 Jun 2007 13:36 In rec.sport.baseball SkippyPB <swiegand(a)nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote: > Let's put some numbers to Brians post. > > Career On Base % : > Ty Cobb is number 9 at .4330 > Pete Rose is number 234 at .3751 They didn't calculate OBP in Cobb's day. Nonetheless, it was a much different era. Rose faced much tougher pitching during batting practice than Cobb faced in a real game. > Career Slugging %: > Ty Cobb is number 69 at .5120 > Pete Rose is number 747 at .4093 Again, SA wasn't computed in Cobb's era. And in any case, Rose's teams always had lots of guys to drive him in. His job was to get hits and score runs, and he did admirably well at both. > Career Batting Average: > Ty Cobb is number 1 at .3664 > Pete Rose is tied at number 167 with two notable hitters Mike > Greenwell and Buddy Myer at .3028 And right now, ARod is hitting .322 while Ordonez is hitting .367. What's your point? > Career OPS % > Ty Cobb is number 28 at .9450 > Pete Rose is number 508 at .7844 OPS does not measure a baseball skill. So why is it being trotted out when comparing the hitting skills of these two players? In any case, since OPS was not recognized during the time of either player, then neither player tried to maximize their OPS, and that being the case, using OPS to compare players is like comparing Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis according to how fast they went to the store to get milk. > Career Runs Scored: > Ty Cobb is number 2 at 2,246 > Pete Rose is number 6 at 2,165 Much different era. Rose faced much tougher pitching during batting practice than Cobb faced in a real game. Oh, wait, we said that. You must be repeating yourself. > Career Total Bases: > > Ty Cobb is number 5 at 5,854 > Pete Rose is number 7 at 5,752 But during Cobb's day the "diamond" was actually a pentagon. Each time Cobb rounded the bases, he picked up an extra base on Rose. > Career Grounded into Double Plays: > Pete Rose is tied with Bill Buckner at number 28 with 247 in this > dubious category. Pseudo statfan, we played with Bill Buckner, we knew Bill Buckner, Bill Buckner was a friend of ours. Pseudo statfan, you are no sport fan. > Ty Cobb did not make the top 1,000. That's probably because Cobb didn't hit behind the bottom of the order. He batted third, and the guys hitting ahead of him could run. > So, to put this in a little perspective, Ty Cobb leads Pete Rose in > every good category except number of hits and games played. Rose Actually, the only category that really counts when measuring both Cobb and Baby Bonds is World Championships. Rose won 3. Cobb won 0. Zip. Nada. Ty Cobb never won a WS and as such, his career was far less successful than Pete Rose's. What's more, Rose would have traded his MVP for another ring. Cobb wouldn't. In fact, Cobb's post-season performances combined with his reputation suggests that he could easily have thrown games for money. Pete Rose never threw a game for money. In fact, Pete Rose never bet on a game while he was a player. > played in 3,562 (number 1) and Cobb in 3,035 (number 5). Looking at > the overall picture of both players, Ty Cobb, hands down, was at least > a far better hitter than Pete Rose if not the greatest hitter in all > of baseball. The overall picture is 3-0 for Rose in the only category that counts. cordially, as always, rm
From: Bill Kawalec on 15 Jun 2007 15:12 <rm(a)biteme.org> wrote in message news:tLzci.42046$f82.3671(a)fe09.news.easynews.com... > In rec.sport.baseball Brian Matthews <noonecares(a)ddd.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:55:05 GMT, rm(a)biteme.org wrote: >> >>>The player who has the greatest number of hits is the greatest >>>hitter. By definition and without qualification. Now if you want >>>to pretend that somebody other than the game's greatest hitter, is >>>in fact the game's greatest hitter, then you will have to qualify >>>your selection >> >> >> Ok, here's the problems with your "award" >> >> 1. You give it to players who hit (multiple) home runs and drives in >> (multiple) runs. This was not Rose's game. > > But the leagues give out the Hank Aaron Awards to the best hitters > and Hank was only the best hitter twice. Hitting was Hank's game. > Slugging was. > >> 2. You should scour the box scores and give this "award" to the player >> who has the most hits in a game, every day. You may have to split this >> "award" to several players every day. > > The Committee has discretion in these matters, just as it should be. > What you are suggesting could easily be done by a computer, and as > such it would not constitute the same honour as an award bestowed on > men, by other men, in recognition of their performance. > >> 3. The "award" should only go out once a year, at the end of the >> season, to the N.L. batter with the most hits. > > Why? It's a daily award. There are weekly awards. There are > monthly awards. And there are seasonal awards. This one is a daily > award and it fills a niche nicely. > >> 4. In the June 10th game, you gave the award to Brandon Inge, even >> if > > Brad Inge. The award was given to Brad Inge. you're a bleeping idiot!!!!!!!!!!1 what team does Brad Inge play for, and is he related to the Tigers' Brandon Inge???
From: Bill Kawalec on 15 Jun 2007 15:14 go reproduce yourself!!!!!!!!!! -- I never read email at the Yahoo address! <rm(a)biteme.org> wrote in message news:g6Aci.164144$YG5.63380(a)fe07.news.easynews.com... > In rec.sport.baseball SkippyPB <swiegand(a)nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote: > >> Let's put some numbers to Brians post. >> >> Career On Base % : > >> Ty Cobb is number 9 at .4330 >> Pete Rose is number 234 at .3751 > > They didn't calculate OBP in Cobb's day. Nonetheless, it was a much > different era. Rose faced much tougher pitching during batting > practice than Cobb faced in a real game. > >> Career Slugging %: >> Ty Cobb is number 69 at .5120 >> Pete Rose is number 747 at .4093 > > Again, SA wasn't computed in Cobb's era. And in any case, Rose's > teams always had lots of guys to drive him in. His job was to get > hits and score runs, and he did admirably well at both. > >> Career Batting Average: > >> Ty Cobb is number 1 at .3664 >> Pete Rose is tied at number 167 with two notable hitters Mike >> Greenwell and Buddy Myer at .3028 > > And right now, ARod is hitting .322 while Ordonez is hitting .367. > > What's your point? > >> Career OPS % > >> Ty Cobb is number 28 at .9450 >> Pete Rose is number 508 at .7844 > > OPS does not measure a baseball skill. So why is it being trotted > out when comparing the hitting skills of these two players? In any > case, since OPS was not recognized during the time of either player, > then neither player tried to maximize their OPS, and that being the > case, using OPS to compare players is like comparing Ben Johnson and > Carl Lewis according to how fast they went to the store to get milk. > >> Career Runs Scored: > >> Ty Cobb is number 2 at 2,246 >> Pete Rose is number 6 at 2,165 > > Much different era. Rose faced much tougher pitching during batting > practice than Cobb faced in a real game. Oh, wait, we said that. > You must be repeating yourself. > >> Career Total Bases: >> >> Ty Cobb is number 5 at 5,854 >> Pete Rose is number 7 at 5,752 > > But during Cobb's day the "diamond" was actually a pentagon. Each > time Cobb rounded the bases, he picked up an extra base on Rose. > >> Career Grounded into Double Plays: > >> Pete Rose is tied with Bill Buckner at number 28 with 247 in this >> dubious category. > > Pseudo statfan, we played with Bill Buckner, we knew Bill Buckner, > Bill Buckner was a friend of ours. Pseudo statfan, you are no sport > fan. > >> Ty Cobb did not make the top 1,000. > > That's probably because Cobb didn't hit behind the bottom of the > order. He batted third, and the guys hitting ahead of him could run. > >> So, to put this in a little perspective, Ty Cobb leads Pete Rose in >> every good category except number of hits and games played. Rose > > Actually, the only category that really counts when measuring both > Cobb and Baby Bonds is World Championships. Rose won 3. Cobb won > 0. Zip. Nada. Ty Cobb never won a WS and as such, his career was > far less successful than Pete Rose's. What's more, Rose would have > traded his MVP for another ring. Cobb wouldn't. In fact, Cobb's > post-season performances combined with his reputation suggests that > he could easily have thrown games for money. Pete Rose never threw > a game for money. In fact, Pete Rose never bet on a game while he > was a player. > >> played in 3,562 (number 1) and Cobb in 3,035 (number 5). Looking at >> the overall picture of both players, Ty Cobb, hands down, was at least >> a far better hitter than Pete Rose if not the greatest hitter in all >> of baseball. > > The overall picture is 3-0 for Rose in the only category that > counts. > > cordially, as always, > > rm
From: TenderRage on 15 Jun 2007 16:23 On Jun 15, 12:15�pm, SkippyPB <swieg...(a)nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:38:37 GMT, Brian Matthews <nooneca...(a)ddd.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:55:05 GMT, r...(a)biteme.org wrote: > > >>The player who has the greatest number of hits is the greatest > >>hitter. By definition and without qualification. Now if you want > >>to pretend that somebody other than the game's greatest hitter, is > >>in fact the game's greatest hitter, then you will have to qualify > >>your selection > > >Ok, here's the problems with your "award" > > >1. You give it to players who hit (multiple) home runs and drives in > >(multiple) runs. This was not Rose's game. > > >2. You should scour the box scores and give this "award" to the player > >who has the most hits in a game, every day. You may have to split this > >"award" to several players every day. > > >3. The "award" should only go out once a year, at the end of the > >season, to the N.L. batter with the most hits. > > >4. In the June 10th game, you gave the award to Brandon Inge, even if > >you don't know HOW to spell his name. And yet, three other Tigers had > >three hits, as did Brandon. If it's your opinion that Pete was the > >greatest hitter of all time because he had the most hits, then this > >"award" should only go to an N.L. player who had the most hits that > >day, whether his team won or lost. An example? If a player goes 4 for > >5, with 3 home runs and 7 RBI and his team wins 12-6? Well...if a > >player on the other team goes 5 for 5 with no runs scored, no RBI, > >then HE should win the "award" It should only go to the player with > >the most hits, not a slugger. > > >Brian > > Let's put some numbers to Brians post. > > Career On Base % : > > Ty Cobb is number 9 at .4330 > Pete Rose is number 234 at .3751 > > Career Slugging %: > Ty Cobb is number 69 at .5120 > Pete Rose is number 747 at .4093 > > Career Batting Average: > > Ty Cobb is number 1 at .3664 > Pete Rose is tied at number 167 with two notable hitters Mike > Greenwell and Buddy Myer at .3028 > > Career OPS % > > Ty Cobb is number 28 at .9450 > Pete Rose is number 508 at .7844 > > Career Runs Scored: > > Ty Cobb is number 2 at 2,246 > Pete Rose is number 6 at 2,165 > > Career Total Bases: > > Ty Cobb is number 5 at 5,854 > Pete Rose is number 7 at 5,752 > > Career Grounded into Double Plays: > > Pete Rose is tied with Bill Buckner at number 28 with 247 in this > dubious category. > > Ty Cobb did not make the top 1,000. > > So, to put this in a little perspective, Ty Cobb leads Pete Rose in > every good category except number of hits and games played. Rose > played in 3,562 (number 1) and Cobb in 3,035 (number 5). Looking at > the overall picture of both players, Ty Cobb, hands down, was at least > a far better hitter than Pete Rose if not the greatest hitter in all > of baseball. > > Regards, > //// > (o o) > -oOO--(_)--OOo- > > Steve- Hide quoted text - > Bravo!!!
From: TenderRage on 15 Jun 2007 16:27
On Jun 15, 3:14?pm, "Bill Kawalec" <billkawa...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > go reproduce yourself!!!!!!!!!! > I don't think that's wise advice.... |