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From: John Kasupski on 9 Oct 2009 08:48 On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:33:56 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >John, I really beleive that Harang getting the 'extended vacation' is going >to energize him. He has been showing the dead arm from time to time. I >hope he doesn't throw until after Christmas. If he can nail down that two >or three spot, we are in pretty good shape. He did put a lot of innings on that arm from 2005-2007. I suppose the time off could help. They gotta give him some run support though. >Again, I don't have a lot of faith in our current candidates for that fifth >slot. If they're serious about leaving Owings in the pen, then unless they're going to bring someone in over the winter (not likely with this year's free agent crop and the price of free agent pitching these days), then I think they may as well put Maloney in the rotation and leave him there, like you said about Bailey a few months ago. Teach him that splitter and a slider - anybody should be able to learn a slider, all you have to do is throw it like you would a football and throw it down, even I can throw the damn thing and I was just a high school and Little League catcher - get rid of that cutter that's giving him the blister, and let him throw the fastball, slider, splitter, curve, change. If David's count is right, he's out of options anyway, so they're either going to have a 25-year old southpaw get enough on-the-job training to "get it" and become a useful member of the staff, or they're going to lose him to another team and he's going to "get it" after he leaves here. Then he will come back and haunt them every time they face him for the next ten years and he makes our hitters look ridiculous when they try to sit on the fastball, guess slider when they don't get it, and end up swinging on a splitter at the shoetops. Now if it gets to be July and he's still getting torched you have to rethink this, but I'd rather watch him struggle for awhile and then catch on, like Bailey did, than have to watch Kip Wells reprise a righthanded Eric Milton, which is exactly what I think he'd do. As for Justin Lehr, I think he's the anti-Harang. Yeah, he made the Cubs look ridiculous, but hey, they're the Cubs, they do a great job on their own. If the Reds gave Harang the same run support they gave Lehr (four or more runs in 8 of his 11 starts and an average of 5.44 runs per game), Harang might have been the only 20-game winner in the majors this year. JK
From: David Short on 9 Oct 2009 09:49 John Kasupski wrote: > On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT), HTP <tmbowman25(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Were in a good period for Reds pitching. I hope everyone comes to >> appreciate what we have now. > > I, for one, certainly do. Who could forget Jose Acevedo, Jimmy Haynes, Joey > Hamilton, Joe Valentine, Brandon Claussen, Todd Van Poppel, Eric Milton, Ricky > Stone, Chris Booker, Dave Williams, Gary Majewski, Mike Gosling, Mike Stanton, > Kirk Saarloos, Phil Dumatrait, Rheal Cormier, Josh Fogg, and the countless other > Cy Young candidates the Reds have employed in the last ten years or so? I was trying to, but I'll never be able to forget them if you keep reminding me of them. dfs
From: David Short on 9 Oct 2009 09:55 John Kasupski wrote: > As for Justin Lehr, I think he's the anti-Harang. Yeah, he made the Cubs look > ridiculous, but hey, they're the Cubs, they do a great job on their own. If the > Reds gave Harang the same run support they gave Lehr (four or more runs in 8 of > his 11 starts and an average of 5.44 runs per game), Harang might have been the > only 20-game winner in the majors this year. For what it's worth...I know Jeff Brantley doesn't get to chose who is on the 25 man roster, but he lobbied hard during Lehr's last two starts that Lehr should be the top dog for the 5th starter slot. dfs
From: David Short on 9 Oct 2009 10:01 John Kasupski wrote: > Never mind that the last time the Reds actually won a World Series (1990), Lou > Piniella used Billy Hatcher, primarily a CF, as the leadoff man 50 times (shoot > Sweet Lou!). Of course Eric was "the centerfielder" on that team, but Hatcher had more innings in center than he did in left? Did you know that 'old' Billy Hatcher was 29 years old that year? Almost everybody on that team was 26-29. > Fewer still could have kept this team > together and playing hard after July when guys started going on the DL in droves > and the wheels came off and any hope of contending went around the bowl and down > the drain. Especially when he had to re-invent the lineup on a nightly basis for > a few weeks there. Yup. dfs
From: Bob Braun on 9 Oct 2009 14:08
"John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message news:5n9uc5p8ef63iqkke0uj2n3c4m9orqnngq(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:33:56 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>John, I really beleive that Harang getting the 'extended vacation' is >>going >>to energize him. He has been showing the dead arm from time to time. I >>hope he doesn't throw until after Christmas. If he can nail down that two >>or three spot, we are in pretty good shape. > > He did put a lot of innings on that arm from 2005-2007. I suppose the time > off > could help. They gotta give him some run support though. > >>Again, I don't have a lot of faith in our current candidates for that >>fifth >>slot. > > If they're serious about leaving Owings in the pen, then unless they're > going to > bring someone in over the winter (not likely with this year's free agent > crop > and the price of free agent pitching these days), then I think they may as > well > put Maloney in the rotation and leave him there, like you said about > Bailey a > few months ago. Teach him that splitter and a slider - anybody should be > able to > learn a slider, all you have to do is throw it like you would a football > and > throw it down, even I can throw the damn thing and I was just a high > school and > Little League catcher - get rid of that cutter that's giving him the > blister, > and let him throw the fastball, slider, splitter, curve, change. > > If David's count is right, he's out of options anyway, so they're either > going > to have a 25-year old southpaw get enough on-the-job training to "get it" > and > become a useful member of the staff, or they're going to lose him to > another > team and he's going to "get it" after he leaves here. Then he will come > back and > haunt them every time they face him for the next ten years and he makes > our > hitters look ridiculous when they try to sit on the fastball, guess slider > when > they don't get it, and end up swinging on a splitter at the shoetops. > > Now if it gets to be July and he's still getting torched you have to > rethink > this, but I'd rather watch him struggle for awhile and then catch on, like > Bailey did, than have to watch Kip Wells reprise a righthanded Eric > Milton, > which is exactly what I think he'd do. > > As for Justin Lehr, I think he's the anti-Harang. Yeah, he made the Cubs > look > ridiculous, but hey, they're the Cubs, they do a great job on their own. > If the > Reds gave Harang the same run support they gave Lehr (four or more runs in > 8 of > his 11 starts and an average of 5.44 runs per game), Harang might have > been the > only 20-game winner in the majors this year. > > JK Whatever they decide, I don't want to start hearing, "Volquez is ahead of schedule", and start rushing him back. I would prefer that he didn't pitch at all in 2010. I can't believe we are this far along and still can't make a call on "The Trade". I'm all in on Josh Hamilton. He has to play 140 games and return to All Star form for me not to pull back on him. Given his revisit with the demons last winter, he's fallen to a 50/50 shot. |