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From: David Short on 13 Oct 2009 16:20 tom dunne wrote: > On Oct 13, 9:30 am, David Short > <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: >> tom dunne wrote: >>> Giving 60 games to Laynce Nix is a big part of the problem, one I hope >>> won't be repeated next year. >> Nix was as good a gamble as Gomes was. AT one time Nix was a highly >> thought of prospect who got hurt instead of having a career. >> >> They were just throwing talent against the wall to see what stuck. > > This is an odd argument. Nix has never shown anything remotely as > positive as Gomes's first three full seasons. With Gomes, you're > rolling the dice looking for his 2005 season, and you're content with > his 2007 campaign. With Nix, you're hoping a guy who has never once > posted a .300 OBP can suddenly, at age 28, become a decent hitter? > That's not a gamble, that's magical thinking. > > The Reds gave Nix 337 plate appearances, which is more than he's seen > since he played for the Rangers in 2004 (and more than the Reds gave > the previously successful Gomes or cheaper in-house option Chris > Dickerson.) Nothing in Nix's career said he was worth playing that > much, and in the end he wasn't worth it. Cincinnati actually got the > best season of Nix's career, and it was still just a 95 OPS+. In 2005 Nix got hurt. Shoulder injury that just never healed right. Before the injury he looks like a kid promoted a little too quickly and overmatched by major league pitching. After the injury before this year, he looks pretty terrible. The reds were hoping that a former uberprospect could regain form in a new city in a new league...kind of like what happened with that Hamilton fellow. It paid off in the sense that Nix did have his best year. It backfired on them because it just wasn't much of a year. > > I realize that talkinjg about Nix is complaining about the in-flight > meal while the plane is going down in flames, but a good franchise > isn't giving guys like Laynce Nix a starting spot hoping he'll stick. but the reds have been so talent thin over the last few years that this has become a regular strategy. Bowden used to fill out his pitching staff that way every year. Walt fills out his outfield in the same way. dfs
From: john smith on 13 Oct 2009 19:58 Hey David, I like your new descriptions in describing Willy T and his ineptness this year. How about...... DisasTaveras....
From: tom dunne on 13 Oct 2009 22:57 On Oct 13, 4:20 pm, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > tom dunne wrote: > > On Oct 13, 9:30 am, David Short > > <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > >> tom dunne wrote: > >>> Giving 60 games to Laynce Nix is a big part of the problem, one I hope > >>> won't be repeated next year. > >> Nix was as good a gamble as Gomes was. AT one time Nix was a highly > >> thought of prospect who got hurt instead of having a career. > > >> They were just throwing talent against the wall to see what stuck. > > > This is an odd argument. Nix has never shown anything remotely as > > positive as Gomes's first three full seasons. With Gomes, you're > > rolling the dice looking for his 2005 season, and you're content with > > his 2007 campaign. With Nix, you're hoping a guy who has never once > > posted a .300 OBP can suddenly, at age 28, become a decent hitter? > > That's not a gamble, that's magical thinking. > > > The Reds gave Nix 337 plate appearances, which is more than he's seen > > since he played for the Rangers in 2004 (and more than the Reds gave > > the previously successful Gomes or cheaper in-house option Chris > > Dickerson.) Nothing in Nix's career said he was worth playing that > > much, and in the end he wasn't worth it. Cincinnati actually got the > > best season of Nix's career, and it was still just a 95 OPS+. > > In 2005 Nix got hurt. Shoulder injury that just never healed right. > Before the injury he looks like a kid promoted a little too quickly and > overmatched by major league pitching. > After the injury before this year, he looks pretty terrible. > The reds were hoping that a former uberprospect could regain form in a > new city in a new league...kind of like what happened with that Hamilton > fellow. > It paid off in the sense that Nix did have his best year. It backfired > on them because it just wasn't much of a year. It doesn't matter what the cause of Nix's crappy career is - he wasn't good enough to deserve 337 major league plate appearances in 2009. > > > > I realize that talkinjg about Nix is complaining about the in-flight > > meal while the plane is going down in flames, but a good franchise > > isn't giving guys like Laynce Nix a starting spot hoping he'll stick.. > > but the reds have been so talent thin over the last few years that this > has become a regular strategy. Bowden used to fill out his pitching > staff that way every year. Walt fills out his outfield in the same way. What's your point? Since they're talent thin and this has become a regular strategy, they ought to keep doing it? I'm actually a little shocked that you're defending the Reds for giving half a season to Layne Nix...
From: David Short on 13 Oct 2009 23:39 "tom dunne" <dunnetg(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >On Oct 13, 4:20 pm, David Short >> The reds were hoping that a former uberprospect could regain form in a >> new city in a new league...kind of like what happened with that Hamilton >> fellow. >> It paid off in the sense that Nix did have his best year. It backfired >> on them because it just wasn't much of a year. > >It doesn't matter what the cause of Nix's crappy career is - he >wasn't good enough to deserve 337 major league plate appearances in >2009. The reds believed the former ubberprospect lablel more than they believed what the numbers told/were telling them. dfs
From: HTP on 14 Oct 2009 12:36
On Oct 13, 7:57 pm, tom dunne <dunn...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 13, 4:20 pm, David Short > > > > > > <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > > tom dunne wrote: > > > On Oct 13, 9:30 am, David Short > > > <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > > >> tom dunne wrote: > > >>> Giving 60 games to Laynce Nix is a big part of the problem, one I hope > > >>> won't be repeated next year. > > >> Nix was as good a gamble as Gomes was. AT one time Nix was a highly > > >> thought of prospect who got hurt instead of having a career. > > > >> They were just throwing talent against the wall to see what stuck. > > > > This is an odd argument. Nix has never shown anything remotely as > > > positive as Gomes's first three full seasons. With Gomes, you're > > > rolling the dice looking for his 2005 season, and you're content with > > > his 2007 campaign. With Nix, you're hoping a guy who has never once > > > posted a .300 OBP can suddenly, at age 28, become a decent hitter? > > > That's not a gamble, that's magical thinking. > > > > The Reds gave Nix 337 plate appearances, which is more than he's seen > > > since he played for the Rangers in 2004 (and more than the Reds gave > > > the previously successful Gomes or cheaper in-house option Chris > > > Dickerson.) Nothing in Nix's career said he was worth playing that > > > much, and in the end he wasn't worth it. Cincinnati actually got the > > > best season of Nix's career, and it was still just a 95 OPS+. > > > In 2005 Nix got hurt. Shoulder injury that just never healed right. > > Before the injury he looks like a kid promoted a little too quickly and > > overmatched by major league pitching. > > After the injury before this year, he looks pretty terrible. > > The reds were hoping that a former uberprospect could regain form in a > > new city in a new league...kind of like what happened with that Hamilton > > fellow. > > It paid off in the sense that Nix did have his best year. It backfired > > on them because it just wasn't much of a year. > > It doesn't matter what the cause of Nix's crappy career is - he > wasn't good enough to deserve 337 major league plate appearances in > 2009. > > > > > > > I realize that talkinjg about Nix is complaining about the in-flight > > > meal while the plane is going down in flames, but a good franchise > > > isn't giving guys like Laynce Nix a starting spot hoping he'll stick. > > > but the reds have been so talent thin over the last few years that this > > has become a regular strategy. Bowden used to fill out his pitching > > staff that way every year. Walt fills out his outfield in the same way. > > What's your point? Since they're talent thin and this has become a > regular strategy, they ought to keep doing it? I'm actually a little > shocked that you're defending the Reds for giving half a season to > Layne Nix...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - When the season began, the Reds starting outfield was supposed to be Hairston/Taveras/Bruce. Nix was on the bench. He was hitting a ton off the bench and in spot starts and finally moved into the lineup after the first week in May when Hairston began playing SS regularly. At that point, people were watching Nix and going "why isnt this guy playing more". He was hitting .350, so when a spot in the lineup opened up, he was an obvious choice. And then he stopped hitting pretty much the moment he became a regular. But its not like the club brought him in with the intention of giving him 300+ plate appearances. People got hurt and he started getting more playing time. He's your typical came-out-of-nowhere-to-win- the-5th-outfield-spot-nobody. |