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From: Kevin McClave on 2 Oct 2009 12:50 On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:46:29 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >"David Short" <David.no.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote in message >news:ha4vsv$o31$1(a)posting.glorb.com... >> jr92 wrote: >>> On Oct 1, 6:21 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. >>>> I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever >>>> try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to >>>> control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. >>> >>> And how do you "hide" it if you are throwing a baseball with pinetar >>> on it??????? Spit,sweat, or any other liquid can easily be gotten >>> rid of off baseball by the catcher simply dropping it and rubbing it >>> in the dirt. If he tries to do that with pine tar, he'll have a >>> baseball full of dirt stuck to it!!!!! >> >> I don't think it was a matter of him doctoring the baseball with the pine >> tar. I think what he was accused of was putting the pine tar on his hand >> in order to get a better grip on the ball. If you think about the motion >> of snapping off a curve ball, you'll agree that even a slight aid in >> keeping that grip as long as possible will help your motion. > >It can't help but be noticable on the baseball. > >> Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something here? >> Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED scandal. He >> has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last couple years. >> It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason he's been hot and >> cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules on his grip. > >It's well documented, if Arroyo's great curve doesn't show up to the >ballpark with him, he gets shelled. Somehow, for a long stretch, he's been >able to quell the 'missing curve ball'. > >However, you need to pick your battles. LaRussa should have filed it away >and used the information when it mattered. The interesting thing to me, the >clubhouse guy went to LaRussa. He didn't deny that the Cardinals got >baseballs that were not properly rubbed. All he said was, "I had nothing to >do with the baseballs you got." > >If a person or persons tried to tip the scales that heavily on a meaningless >September game, heads should roll. What the hell would they do in a game >that counts? I'm sure they only mis-rub the balls in games they want the Reds to win. ********************************************************************* Kevin McClave "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." ~Robert F. Kennedy *********************************************************************
From: David Short on 2 Oct 2009 12:50 Bob Braun wrote: > "David Short" <David.no.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote in message > news:ha4vsv$o31$1(a)posting.glorb.com... >> jr92 wrote: >>> On Oct 1, 6:21 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. >>>> I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever >>>> try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to >>>> control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. >>> And how do you "hide" it if you are throwing a baseball with pinetar >>> on it??????? Spit,sweat, or any other liquid can easily be gotten >>> rid of off baseball by the catcher simply dropping it and rubbing it >>> in the dirt. If he tries to do that with pine tar, he'll have a >>> baseball full of dirt stuck to it!!!!! >> I don't think it was a matter of him doctoring the baseball with the pine >> tar. I think what he was accused of was putting the pine tar on his hand >> in order to get a better grip on the ball. If you think about the motion >> of snapping off a curve ball, you'll agree that even a slight aid in >> keeping that grip as long as possible will help your motion. > > It can't help but be noticable on the baseball. One of the reasons they keep new balls in play, I presume. dfs
From: Bob Braun on 2 Oct 2009 12:54 "Kevin McClave" <kmcclave(a)SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:7pbcc51nk3n6qkg87ks1rbbqsjv218n4dk(a)4ax.com... >>If a person or persons tried to tip the scales that heavily on a >>meaningless >>September game, heads should roll. What the hell would they do in a game >>that counts? > > I'm sure they only mis-rub the balls in games they want the Reds to win. A ball that hasn't been rubbed is going to stick out like a sore thumb. Why didn't LaRussa go to the umpire?
From: tom dunne on 2 Oct 2009 13:29 On Oct 2, 9:41 am, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something > here? Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED > scandal. He has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last > couple years. It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason > he's been hot and cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules > on his grip. I doubt it. Arroyo's road starts, in parks where his team can't influence the ball or whatever, are just as good as his home starts. Having just looked at his 2009 home/road splits, hit ERA, WHIP and k/9 rates are almost identical. Even if the Reds habitually provide balls which aren't rubbed up enough, I don't think Arroyo would get any advantage in St. Louis, where I can only assume they're meticulous about rubbing the balls properly and assuring that foreign grip substances aren't beneficial.
From: David Short on 2 Oct 2009 15:11
tom dunne wrote: > On Oct 2, 9:41 am, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> > wrote: > >> Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something >> here? Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED >> scandal. He has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last >> couple years. It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason >> he's been hot and cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules >> on his grip. > > I doubt it. Arroyo's road starts, in parks where his team can't > influence the ball or whatever, are just as good as his home starts. > Having just looked at his 2009 home/road splits, hit ERA, WHIP and k/9 > rates are almost identical. Even if the Reds habitually provide balls > which aren't rubbed up enough, I don't think Arroyo would get any > advantage in St. Louis, where I can only assume they're meticulous > about rubbing the balls properly and assuring that foreign grip > substances aren't beneficial. I didn't mean about the balls so much as I meant the pine tar. dfs |