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From: Bob Braun on 2 Oct 2009 15:20 "David Short" <David.no.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote in message news:ha5j68$p1i$1(a)posting.glorb.com... > tom dunne wrote: >> On Oct 2, 9:41 am, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> >> wrote: >> >>> Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something >>> here? Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED >>> scandal. He has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last >>> couple years. It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason >>> he's been hot and cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules >>> on his grip. >> >> I doubt it. Arroyo's road starts, in parks where his team can't >> influence the ball or whatever, are just as good as his home starts. >> Having just looked at his 2009 home/road splits, hit ERA, WHIP and k/9 >> rates are almost identical. Even if the Reds habitually provide balls >> which aren't rubbed up enough, I don't think Arroyo would get any >> advantage in St. Louis, where I can only assume they're meticulous >> about rubbing the balls properly and assuring that foreign grip >> substances aren't beneficial. > > I didn't mean about the balls so much as I meant the pine tar. > > dfs Yeah, pine tar will enhance his curve anywhere on any ball. At home they get to widen the gap, by putting the opposing pitcher to a disadvantage as well. Poll Question........... Do you think Arroyo used pine tar?
From: tom dunne on 2 Oct 2009 18:43 On Oct 2, 3:11 pm, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > tom dunne wrote: > > On Oct 2, 9:41 am, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> > > wrote: > > >> Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something > >> here? Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED > >> scandal. He has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last > >> couple years. It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason > >> he's been hot and cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules > >> on his grip. > > > I doubt it. Arroyo's road starts, in parks where his team can't > > influence the ball or whatever, are just as good as his home starts. > > Having just looked at his 2009 home/road splits, hit ERA, WHIP and k/9 > > rates are almost identical. Even if the Reds habitually provide balls > > which aren't rubbed up enough, I don't think Arroyo would get any > > advantage in St. Louis, where I can only assume they're meticulous > > about rubbing the balls properly and assuring that foreign grip > > substances aren't beneficial. > > I didn't mean about the balls so much as I meant the pine tar. Well again, I doubt it. If Arroyo was putting enough junk on the ball to have an effect on the game, someone in the Cards' dugout would have asked the umpire to check it. Instead, they chose to use it as an excuse once they got beat. I don't usually generalize about whole teams, but between Duncan, LaRussa and Albert Pujols, the Cards organization strikes me as filled with sore losers. They've already won the NL Central while the Reds are in the toilet for the ninth straight year, and they're whining about smooth baseballs and pine tar?
From: John Kasupski on 2 Oct 2009 22:51 On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:20:36 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Poll Question........... >Do you think Arroyo used pine tar? No. None of the other Cardinals pitchers seemed to have any problems with the balls, either - only Smoltz. Somebody in the St. Louis organization needs to remind LaRussa that there's no crying in baseball. JK
From: Bob Braun on 2 Oct 2009 23:24 "John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message news:8redc5h1iu5kdmtk9ehlcc50ssnou633t2(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:20:36 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>Poll Question........... >>Do you think Arroyo used pine tar? > > No. None of the other Cardinals pitchers seemed to have any problems with > the > balls, either - only Smoltz. Somebody in the St. Louis organization needs > to > remind LaRussa that there's no crying in baseball. > > JK I think he used it, and has been using it. It will get interesting, because I think Dave Duncan will be the next pitching coach in Cincinnati. It just timed up to coincidental. Pole is let go right when the Cardinals are in town. Uncle Bob drools for anything from the St. Louis organization. I think Duncan is through with St. Louis, and secured a 2010 job while in Cincinnati.
From: HTP on 3 Oct 2009 00:05
On Oct 2, 8:24 pm, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "John Kasupski" <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:8redc5h1iu5kdmtk9ehlcc50ssnou633t2(a)4ax.com... > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:20:36 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>Poll Question........... > >>Do you think Arroyo used pine tar? > > > No. None of the other Cardinals pitchers seemed to have any problems with > > the > > balls, either - only Smoltz. Somebody in the St. Louis organization needs > > to > > remind LaRussa that there's no crying in baseball. > > > JK > > I think he used it, and has been using it. > > It will get interesting, because I think Dave Duncan will be the next > pitching coach in Cincinnati. It just timed up to coincidental. Pole is > let go right when the Cardinals are in town. Uncle Bob drools for anything > from the St. Louis organization. I think Duncan is through with St. Louis, > and secured a 2010 job while in Cincinnati. Secured a job? I think theres rules against that. |