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From: HTP on 1 Oct 2009 18:21 On Oct 1, 12:55 pm, t...(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote: > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:05:09 -0700 (PDT), HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >On Oct 1, 10:07=A0am, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> LaRussa accused Arroyo of doctoring the ball with pine tar last night. > > >Isnt pine tar sticky? I thought pitchers like to cheat using a > >substance that would lubricate the ball and make it slip out of thier > >hand, like Vagisil for instance. > > eeewhew. That's nasty. Joke from "major league" > > "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to.
From: jr92 on 2 Oct 2009 01:59 On Oct 1, 6:21 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Oct 1, 12:55 pm, t...(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:05:09 -0700 (PDT), HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > >On Oct 1, 10:07=A0am, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> LaRussa accused Arroyo of doctoring the ball with pine tar last night. > > > >Isnt pine tar sticky? I thought pitchers like to cheat using a > > >substance that would lubricate the ball and make it slip out of thier > > >hand, like Vagisil for instance. > > > eeewhew. That's nasty. > > Joke from "major league" > > > > > "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. > > I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever > try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to > control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. And how do you "hide" it if you are throwing a baseball with pinetar on it??????? Spit,sweat, or any other liquid can easily be gotten rid of off baseball by the catcher simply dropping it and rubbing it in the dirt. If he tries to do that with pine tar, he'll have a baseball full of dirt stuck to it!!!!!
From: David Short on 2 Oct 2009 09:41 jr92 wrote: > On Oct 1, 6:21 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. >> I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever >> try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to >> control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. > > And how do you "hide" it if you are throwing a baseball with pinetar > on it??????? Spit,sweat, or any other liquid can easily be gotten > rid of off baseball by the catcher simply dropping it and rubbing it > in the dirt. If he tries to do that with pine tar, he'll have a > baseball full of dirt stuck to it!!!!! I don't think it was a matter of him doctoring the baseball with the pine tar. I think what he was accused of was putting the pine tar on his hand in order to get a better grip on the ball. If you think about the motion of snapping off a curve ball, you'll agree that even a slight aid in keeping that grip as long as possible will help your motion. Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something here? Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED scandal. He has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last couple years. It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason he's been hot and cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules on his grip. dfs
From: HTP on 2 Oct 2009 12:34 On Oct 2, 6:41 am, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > jr92 wrote: > > On Oct 1, 6:21 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. > >> I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever > >> try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to > >> control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. > > > And how do you "hide" it if you are throwing a baseball with pinetar > > on it??????? Spit,sweat, or any other liquid can easily be gotten > > rid of off baseball by the catcher simply dropping it and rubbing it > > in the dirt. If he tries to do that with pine tar, he'll have a > > baseball full of dirt stuck to it!!!!! > > I don't think it was a matter of him doctoring the baseball with the > pine tar. I think what he was accused of was putting the pine tar on his > hand in order to get a better grip on the ball. If you think about the > motion of snapping off a curve ball, you'll agree that even a slight aid > in keeping that grip as long as possible will help your motion. > > Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something > here? Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED > scandal. He has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last > couple years. It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason > he's been hot and cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules > on his grip. > > dfs Arroyo: I was using the balls from the same bag as Smoltz, he said. They can rub the balls up anyway they want the next time we go to St. Louis. I guarantee I wont walk five guys ***smoltz walked 5 and complained that the baseballs werent rubbed up properly beforehand***. I dont like the way they rub up the balls at 25 parks. You deal with it. For candor like this, he's my new favorite player. Finally, a Red with some personality. Maybe he was doctoring. i hope thats not the case. He received a cortisone injection into his hands in July and has been vastly improved since then.
From: Bob Braun on 2 Oct 2009 12:46
"David Short" <David.no.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote in message news:ha4vsv$o31$1(a)posting.glorb.com... > jr92 wrote: >> On Oct 1, 6:21 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. >>> I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever >>> try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to >>> control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. >> >> And how do you "hide" it if you are throwing a baseball with pinetar >> on it??????? Spit,sweat, or any other liquid can easily be gotten >> rid of off baseball by the catcher simply dropping it and rubbing it >> in the dirt. If he tries to do that with pine tar, he'll have a >> baseball full of dirt stuck to it!!!!! > > I don't think it was a matter of him doctoring the baseball with the pine > tar. I think what he was accused of was putting the pine tar on his hand > in order to get a better grip on the ball. If you think about the motion > of snapping off a curve ball, you'll agree that even a slight aid in > keeping that grip as long as possible will help your motion. It can't help but be noticable on the baseball. > Does anybody have any doubt that LaRussa's probably on to something here? > Arroyo has already agreed that he shaved the edge of the PED scandal. He > has been a terrificly hot and cold pitcher over the last couple years. > It's well within the world of likelihood that the reason he's been hot and > cold has had to do with his ability to bend the rules on his grip. It's well documented, if Arroyo's great curve doesn't show up to the ballpark with him, he gets shelled. Somehow, for a long stretch, he's been able to quell the 'missing curve ball'. However, you need to pick your battles. LaRussa should have filed it away and used the information when it mattered. The interesting thing to me, the clubhouse guy went to LaRussa. He didn't deny that the Cardinals got baseballs that were not properly rubbed. All he said was, "I had nothing to do with the baseballs you got." If a person or persons tried to tip the scales that heavily on a meaningless September game, heads should roll. What the hell would they do in a game that counts? |