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From: jr92 on 3 Oct 2009 23:43 On Oct 3, 4:04 am, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "jr92" <coachros...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:8e7f0a46-442a-426d-b3c9-51c55d269fe3(a)s6g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 2, 9:41 am, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> > wrote: > > > > > > > jr92 wrote: > > > On Oct 1, 6:21 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>> "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. > > >> I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever > > >> try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to > > >> control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. > > > > And how do you "hide" it if you are throwing a baseball with pinetar > > > on it??????? Spit,sweat, or any other liquid can easily be gotten > > > rid of off baseball by the catcher simply dropping it and rubbing it > > > in the dirt. If he tries to do that with pine tar, he'll have a > > > baseball full of dirt stuck to it!!!!! > > > I don't think it was a matter of him doctoring the baseball with the > > pine tar. I think what he was accused of was putting the pine tar on his > > hand in order to get a better grip on the ball. If you think about the > > motion of snapping off a curve ball, you'll agree that even a slight aid > > in keeping that grip as long as possible will help your motion. > > I understand that, but even putting only a little pine tar on one's > fingertips would leave a trace of pine tar on the ball. The ball would > either show a trace of pine tar, or dirt stuck to the tar on the ball. > > ***************************************************** > It doesn't have to be pine tar, just clear stick 'um. The balls in the big > leagues are changed so frequently, I see how he may get by UNLESS someone > drew attention to it. > > That's why I don't understand why LaRussa didn't approach the umpire. If > you don't go to that extent, don't even address it now.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Good point. If you suspected something was fishy to begin with, no sense in complaining AFTER the game is over!
From: Kevin McClave on 5 Oct 2009 15:32 On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:24:51 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >"John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message >news:8redc5h1iu5kdmtk9ehlcc50ssnou633t2(a)4ax.com... >> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:20:36 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Poll Question........... >>>Do you think Arroyo used pine tar? >> >> No. None of the other Cardinals pitchers seemed to have any problems with >> the >> balls, either - only Smoltz. Somebody in the St. Louis organization needs >> to >> remind LaRussa that there's no crying in baseball. >> >> JK > >I think he used it, and has been using it. > >It will get interesting, because I think Dave Duncan will be the next >pitching coach in Cincinnati. It just timed up to coincidental. Pole is >let go right when the Cardinals are in town. Uncle Bob drools for anything >from the St. Louis organization. I think Duncan is through with St. Louis, >and secured a 2010 job while in Cincinnati. Leave it to the Reds to handle it with class. Why not just wait until the last three games of the season have been played before announcing Pole wouldn't be back? I thought the timing was bush league (no pun intended!). ********************************************************************* Kevin McClave "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." ~Robert F. Kennedy *********************************************************************
From: Bob Braun on 5 Oct 2009 15:45 "Kevin McClave" <kmcclave(a)SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:ncikc55q4srfg6kkolb6safhq88v19m04f(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:24:51 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>"John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message >>news:8redc5h1iu5kdmtk9ehlcc50ssnou633t2(a)4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:20:36 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Poll Question........... >>>>Do you think Arroyo used pine tar? >>> >>> No. None of the other Cardinals pitchers seemed to have any problems >>> with >>> the >>> balls, either - only Smoltz. Somebody in the St. Louis organization >>> needs >>> to >>> remind LaRussa that there's no crying in baseball. >>> >>> JK >> >>I think he used it, and has been using it. >> >>It will get interesting, because I think Dave Duncan will be the next >>pitching coach in Cincinnati. It just timed up to coincidental. Pole is >>let go right when the Cardinals are in town. Uncle Bob drools for >>anything >>from the St. Louis organization. I think Duncan is through with St. >>Louis, >>and secured a 2010 job while in Cincinnati. > > Leave it to the Reds to handle it with class. Why not just wait until > the last three games of the season have been played before announcing > Pole wouldn't be back? I thought the timing was bush league (no pun > intended!). It was indeed classless. Something had to happen to make that unravel with three games to go. Carl Willis is still my close second choice. I wouldn't be disappointed with him at all.
From: JustTom on 8 Oct 2009 08:27 On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:21:40 -0700 (PDT), HTP <tmbowman25(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Oct 1, 12:55=A0pm, t...(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote: > >Joke from "major league" It's been a long time since I've seen that. > >> >> "Sticky" can hold your grip longer and get a tighter spin. > >I understand you can hold your grip longer, but thats my point. Ever >try to throw something that is sticking to your hand? its not easy to >control because sometime it doesnt release when you want it to. > We're not talking Lester Hayes amounts here. Just a little dab. A fastball needs to roll off your fingers, and you let the motion take it as it may. If you have good movement, even a "mistake" will be hard to hit. So, throw for the middle and let the action move it off. In contrast, I need to know exactly where I'm throwing a curve. If my release point is off, I get a "hanger" and anybody can hit it a really long way. Or even if I throw a good one and the location is bad, I can still get teed off on. Precise control is essential. So, to control a curve you need to grip it as long as possible. Pine tar would help. So does moisture, which is why you lick your fingers and rub up the ball. A ball with raised seams is gold. You try to keep those around as long as possible. Slick is bad, so it does raise a question if a curveballer like BA could hold them while Smoltz couldn't. Maybe he did have a little help. Who knows. I know there are some that say cheating is cheating, but I think if you poll most mlber's, pine tar to hold your grip isn't that big of a deal. If you think about it, it's kind of odd that they provide a resin bag to improve your grip, and batters are allowed to pine tar bats to look like they were just used to tar a roof to improve their grip, but a pitcher can't do the same. Likely because you'd have guys who'd paint them black and go overboard, but a little isn't really much of an advantage over just a little moisture.
From: David Short on 8 Oct 2009 09:13
JustTom wrote: > I know there are some that say cheating is cheating, but I think if > you poll most mlber's, pine tar to hold your grip isn't that big of a > deal. If you think about it, it's kind of odd that they provide a > resin bag to improve your grip, and batters are allowed to pine tar > bats to look like they were just used to tar a roof to improve their > grip, but a pitcher can't do the same. Likely because you'd have > guys who'd paint them black and go overboard, but a little isn't > really much of an advantage over just a little moisture. Where the rulebook says "draw the line" is where the line has to be drawn. MLB has a culture of competitive creative cheating and that's part of what fed the PED shamefest. dfs |