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From: RJA on 3 Jun 2007 20:56 "Kevin McClave" <kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:7pj6631174r0bl1i9oe0glha2pvfas2php(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:01:16 -0400, John Kasupski <kc2hmz(a)wzrd.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:16:15 -0400, Kevin McClave >><kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote: >> >>>Guys are going to get on base at a 40% clip if >>>they're the best. That was a given in my point. >> >>They're not going to get on base at a 40% clip by keeping the bat on >>their shoulders. > > Hey, think what you want. Here's what we can agree on. Across the board, it evens out because most on-base situations are runner on first situations. However, many of the remaining situations dictate that contact is better than a K. Are we all on the same page then?
From: John Kasupski on 3 Jun 2007 21:25 On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:31:49 -0400, Kevin McClave <kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote: >On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:01:16 -0400, John Kasupski <kc2hmz(a)wzrd.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:16:15 -0400, Kevin McClave >><kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote: >> >>>Guys are going to get on base at a 40% clip if >>>they're the best. That was a given in my point. >> >>They're not going to get on base at a 40% clip by keeping the bat on >>their shoulders. > >Hey, think what you want. According to the sortable player stats at mlb.com, of the top 50 players in the NL in walks last year, only two had more walks than base hits. One was Barry Bonds, the league leader with 115, who got 20 intentional walks. The other was Morgan Ensberg, who was not one of the 13 players with at least 200 ABs who had an OBP of .400 or better.
From: John Kasupski on 3 Jun 2007 21:29 On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:56:03 -0400, "RJA" <rja(a)nospam.cinci.rr.com> wrote: >Here's what we can agree on. Across the board, it evens out because most >on-base situations are runner on first situations. However, many of the >remaining situations dictate that contact is better than a K. Are we all on >the same page then? Even if there is a runner on first, while a walk might be as good as a single, nobody ever hit a two-run dinger by standing there watching the ball smack into the catcher's mitt. Same goes for doubles and triples. The only way to do that is to swing the bat. Which, if you're not going to do that, why bother carrying it up there with you? John D, Kasupski, Tonawanda, NY Reds Fan Since The 1960's http://www.kc2hmz.net
From: Kevin McClave on 3 Jun 2007 22:16 On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:56:03 -0400, "RJA" <rja(a)nospam.cinci.rr.com> wrote: >"Kevin McClave" <kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote in message >news:7pj6631174r0bl1i9oe0glha2pvfas2php(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:01:16 -0400, John Kasupski <kc2hmz(a)wzrd.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:16:15 -0400, Kevin McClave >>><kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Guys are going to get on base at a 40% clip if >>>>they're the best. That was a given in my point. >>> >>>They're not going to get on base at a 40% clip by keeping the bat on >>>their shoulders. >> >> Hey, think what you want. > >Here's what we can agree on. Across the board, it evens out because most >on-base situations are runner on first situations. However, many of the >remaining situations dictate that contact is better than a K. Are we all on >the same page then? I wouldn't say that, if by the remaining situations you mean the men on and the number of outs (and not the result of the AB). I would say contact could be better than a K, or even should be if you prefer, but a popup isn't any better than a K in most situations and a lineout DP is worse. I can assume the response would be that a popup has the chance to drop in where a K does not, but therein lies the entire point of this discussion...that the times that happens are so infrequent that they make no significant difference in the long run. Could one of those drop in popups win a game? Sure, but so could the lack of a CS at a crucial time or a guy not taking an extra base because he didn't get a good secondary lead. However, the K stigma seems out of proportion to those other things, even though, as the other guys have tried to quantify here, it isn't anymore damaging than the any number of the other possibilities.. ****************************************************************** Kevin McClave "To justify himself, each relies on the other's crime." ~Albert Camus ******************************************************************
From: Kevin McClave on 3 Jun 2007 22:17
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:25:22 -0400, John Kasupski <kc2hmz(a)wzrd.com> wrote: >On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:31:49 -0400, Kevin McClave ><kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:01:16 -0400, John Kasupski <kc2hmz(a)wzrd.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:16:15 -0400, Kevin McClave >>><kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Guys are going to get on base at a 40% clip if >>>>they're the best. That was a given in my point. >>> >>>They're not going to get on base at a 40% clip by keeping the bat on >>>their shoulders. >> >>Hey, think what you want. > >According to the sortable player stats at mlb.com, of the top 50 >players in the NL in walks last year, only two had more walks than >base hits. One was Barry Bonds, the league leader with 115, who got 20 >intentional walks. The other was Morgan Ensberg, who was not one of >the 13 players with at least 200 ABs who had an OBP of .400 or better. Walks aren't OBP. What's your point, John? ****************************************************************** Kevin McClave "To justify himself, each relies on the other's crime." ~Albert Camus ****************************************************************** |