Phillips Upset
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From: David Short on 8 Mar 2010 23:11 "John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote > I basically agree that it would have been better for everyone concerned if > this > had been left in the Reds' clubhouse and worked out in the Reds' clubhouse > between the player and the writer. Right. Phillips has come up smelling like a pig on many occasions. You know Brandon starts to get REAL expensive. As good a player as he is, now would be an excellent time to deal him off. dfs
From: HTP on 9 Mar 2010 15:53 On Mar 8, 8:11 pm, "David Short" <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: > "John Kasupski" <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote > > > I basically agree that it would have been better for everyone concerned if > > this > > had been left in the Reds' clubhouse and worked out in the Reds' clubhouse > > between the player and the writer. > > Right. Phillips has come up smelling like a pig on many occasions. You know > Brandon starts to get REAL expensive. As good a player as he is, now would > be an excellent time to deal him off. > > dfs You mean right now in March, or sometime during the season? I'd like to see what Frazier can do first, and then theres always the Rolen injury history. But yeah, he has to be dealt before 2011. I wonder if the thought of that eventuality has crossed Phillips mind?
From: RJA on 9 Mar 2010 20:40 On Mar 9, 3:53 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 8, 8:11 pm, "David Short" > > <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: > > "John Kasupski" <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote > > > > I basically agree that it would have been better for everyone concerned if > > > this > > > had been left in the Reds' clubhouse and worked out in the Reds' clubhouse > > > between the player and the writer. > > > Right. Phillips has come up smelling like a pig on many occasions. You know > > Brandon starts to get REAL expensive. As good a player as he is, now would > > be an excellent time to deal him off. > > > dfs > > You mean right now in March, or sometime during the season? I'd like > to see what Frazier can do first, and then theres always the Rolen > injury history. But yeah, he has to be dealt before 2011. I wonder if > the thought of that eventuality has crossed Phillips mind? Let's say he's not traded by 2011 (I doubt he will be). Do the Reds pick up the $12 million option for 2012? How much is a gold glover with a decent power bat worth at 2B these days? I guess it depends on what he does in 10 and 11 and whether there's an adequate replacement waiting. Frazier remains to be seen. My guess is that Harang and Arroyo are gone after this year. That's like 23 million off of the books and you still have Chapman, Bailey, Cueto, Volquez, Wood, Leake and Maloney. If Phillips and Cordero come off after 2011, that's another 24 million or so. We're possibly looking at a pretty strong core with a set rotation for a payroll in the 30-40 million dollar range before even touching free agency.
From: HTP on 10 Mar 2010 12:00 On Mar 9, 5:40 pm, RJA <agentvau...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 9, 3:53 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 8:11 pm, "David Short" > > > <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: > > > "John Kasupski" <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote > > > > > I basically agree that it would have been better for everyone concerned if > > > > this > > > > had been left in the Reds' clubhouse and worked out in the Reds' clubhouse > > > > between the player and the writer. > > > > Right. Phillips has come up smelling like a pig on many occasions. You know > > > Brandon starts to get REAL expensive. As good a player as he is, now would > > > be an excellent time to deal him off. > > > > dfs > > > You mean right now in March, or sometime during the season? I'd like > > to see what Frazier can do first, and then theres always the Rolen > > injury history. But yeah, he has to be dealt before 2011. I wonder if > > the thought of that eventuality has crossed Phillips mind? > > Let's say he's not traded by 2011 (I doubt he will be). Do the Reds > pick up the $12 million option for 2012? How much is a gold glover > with a decent power bat worth at 2B these days? I guess it depends on > what he does in 10 and 11 and whether there's an adequate replacement > waiting. Frazier remains to be seen. > > My guess is that Harang and Arroyo are gone after this year. That's > like 23 million off of the books and you still have Chapman, Bailey, > Cueto, Volquez, Wood, Leake and Maloney. If Phillips and Cordero come > off after 2011, that's another 24 million or so. We're possibly > looking at a pretty strong core with a set rotation for a payroll in > the 30-40 million dollar range before even touching free agency.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I think its good bet that Frazier is already penciled in at 2nd for 2011. Jocketty cant be that dumb to keep Phillips around at that price. Brandon would have to put up some pretty big numbers. I guess there could always be an extension and a reworked contract, but the presence of Frazier, his 2009 apprenticeship at second base, and the length of Rolens contract indicate that Frazier is being groomed for that spot. A number of other possibilities could increase the chances of Phillips leaving; if Valaika rebounds at Louisville or if Cozart hits enough to show that he could make the show... All that being said, watch as Walt trades Phillips, Leake, and Boxberger for Orlando Hudson. <knocks on skull>
From: RJA on 10 Mar 2010 12:13
On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 9, 5:40 pm, RJA <agentvau...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 3:53 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 8, 8:11 pm, "David Short" > > > > <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: > > > > "John Kasupski" <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote > > > > > > I basically agree that it would have been better for everyone concerned if > > > > > this > > > > > had been left in the Reds' clubhouse and worked out in the Reds' clubhouse > > > > > between the player and the writer. > > > > > Right. Phillips has come up smelling like a pig on many occasions. You know > > > > Brandon starts to get REAL expensive. As good a player as he is, now would > > > > be an excellent time to deal him off. > > > > > dfs > > > > You mean right now in March, or sometime during the season? I'd like > > > to see what Frazier can do first, and then theres always the Rolen > > > injury history. But yeah, he has to be dealt before 2011. I wonder if > > > the thought of that eventuality has crossed Phillips mind? > > > Let's say he's not traded by 2011 (I doubt he will be). Do the Reds > > pick up the $12 million option for 2012? How much is a gold glover > > with a decent power bat worth at 2B these days? I guess it depends on > > what he does in 10 and 11 and whether there's an adequate replacement > > waiting. Frazier remains to be seen. > > > My guess is that Harang and Arroyo are gone after this year. That's > > like 23 million off of the books and you still have Chapman, Bailey, > > Cueto, Volquez, Wood, Leake and Maloney. If Phillips and Cordero come > > off after 2011, that's another 24 million or so. We're possibly > > looking at a pretty strong core with a set rotation for a payroll in > > the 30-40 million dollar range before even touching free agency.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I think its good bet that Frazier is already penciled in at 2nd for > 2011. Jocketty cant be that dumb to keep Phillips around at that > price. Brandon would have to put up some pretty big numbers. I guess > there could always be an extension and a reworked contract, but the > presence of Frazier, his 2009 apprenticeship at second base, and the > length of Rolens contract indicate that Frazier is being groomed for > that spot. A number of other possibilities could increase the chances > of Phillips leaving; if Valaika rebounds at Louisville or if Cozart > hits enough to show that he could make the show... > > All that being said, watch as Walt trades Phillips, Leake, and > Boxberger for Orlando Hudson. <knocks on skull>- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It will just depend on how much they can test Frazier in 10 and 11 to see how productive he can actually be and how much Phillips improves. Frazier's minor league numbers are decent but it's not like he's tearing it up like a Bruce, Larson or Rosales. I use those 3 name as an example that minor league success doesn't always translate up, or at least not quickly. There's also the defensive side of it. |