From: tom dunne on
On Mar 10, 3:32 pm, John Kasupski <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net>
wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:53:27 -0800 (PST), HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >You mean right now in March, or sometime during the season? I'd like
> >to see what Frazier can do first, and then theres always the Rolen
> >injury history. But yeah, he has to be dealt before 2011. I wonder if
> >the thought of that eventuality has crossed Phillips mind?
>
> I was going to say something similar to this yesterday but didn't have time to
> reply...FWIW though, I don't think it would be wise to create a hole by trading
> Phillips just to dump his salary before you have a reasonable expectation that
> one of the kids like Frazier or Valaika is ready to take over at that position.

I think a bigger question than should the Reds deal Phillips is would
they be able to find a taker? He's better than average both
offensively and defensively at his position, but he's hit his ceiling
and is closing in on 30. While Phillips is a good player, he's not
really the sort of difference-maker teams usually go after in July.
Who can you convince to take a $12 million second baseman who peaked
four years earlier?

Beyond that, I think the only time Walt has to trade him is now. If
the Reds are anywhere in shouting distance come July, fireselling
Phillips to save cash would be one of those stadium-clearing PR
nightmares Castellini has to be desperate to avoid. Shopping him
after 2010 doesn't seem too attractive, the team is probably stuck
with him then.
From: David Short on
On 3/11/2010 12:05 AM, tom dunne wrote:
> I think a bigger question than should the Reds deal Phillips is would
> they be able to find a taker? He's better than average both
> offensively and defensively at his position, but he's hit his ceiling
> and is closing in on 30. While Phillips is a good player, he's not
> really the sort of difference-maker teams usually go after in July.
> Who can you convince to take a $12 million second baseman who peaked
> four years earlier?

Well, you certainly aren't going to get much in return, but I think
Phillips is dealable to somebody with a hole at second. An OPS+ of 100
and good defense out of an up the middle slot is worthwhile. Somebody
like the Cardinals (not the Cardinals, but like them) who play stars and
then have holes at other positions might find Phillips very attractive
at the trading deadline.

> Beyond that, I think the only time Walt has to trade him is now. If
> the Reds are anywhere in shouting distance come July, fireselling
> Phillips to save cash would be one of those stadium-clearing PR
> nightmares Castellini has to be desperate to avoid.

Yeah. I don't think they can make a white flag trade this year, but if
they are 20 out.....




From: RJA on
On Mar 11, 8:59 am, David Short
<David.No.Sho...(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote:
> On 3/11/2010 12:05 AM, tom dunne wrote:
>
> > I think a bigger question than should the Reds deal Phillips is would
> > they be able to find a taker?  He's better than average both
> > offensively and defensively at his position, but he's hit his ceiling
> > and is closing in on 30.  While Phillips is a good player, he's not
> > really the sort of difference-maker teams usually go after in July.
> > Who can you convince to take a $12 million second baseman who peaked
> > four years earlier?
>
> Well, you certainly aren't going to get much in return, but I think
> Phillips is dealable to somebody with a hole at second. An OPS+ of 100
> and good defense out of an up the middle slot is worthwhile. Somebody
> like the Cardinals (not the Cardinals, but like them) who play stars and
> then have holes at other positions might find Phillips very attractive
> at the trading deadline.
>
> > Beyond that, I think the only time Walt has to trade him is now.  If
> > the Reds are anywhere in shouting distance come July, fireselling
> > Phillips to save cash would be one of those stadium-clearing PR
> > nightmares Castellini has to be desperate to avoid.
>
> Yeah. I don't think they can make a white flag trade this year, but if
> they are 20 out.....

This is one of those contracts that Krivsky made that leaves you
scratching your head. 11 and 12 million? Same with Arroyo and
Cordero at the time. The guy made some good moves, but he sure
overpaid for some things.
From: David Short on
On 3/11/2010 9:38 AM, RJA wrote:
> This is one of those contracts that Krivsky made that leaves you
> scratching your head. 11 and 12 million? Same with Arroyo and
> Cordero at the time. The guy made some good moves, but he sure
> overpaid for some things.


.....It's like the housing market. For years folks assumed houses were
going to go up in value. When that didn't happen anymore, traditional
wisdom got stood on it's head.

For years baseball salaries escalated and escalated. It became common
practice to back load contracts because by the time normal player
inflation rolled around those contracts would look like a bargain.

Well, suddenly instead of player salaries increasing, the owners managed
to hold the land and salaries crashed....oops, now those back loaded
contracts look pretty terrible.

dfs
From: HTP on
On Mar 11, 6:38 am, RJA <agentvau...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 8:59 am, David Short
>
>
>
>
>
> <David.No.Sho...(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote:
> > On 3/11/2010 12:05 AM, tom dunne wrote:
>
> > > I think a bigger question than should the Reds deal Phillips is would
> > > they be able to find a taker?  He's better than average both
> > > offensively and defensively at his position, but he's hit his ceiling
> > > and is closing in on 30.  While Phillips is a good player, he's not
> > > really the sort of difference-maker teams usually go after in July.
> > > Who can you convince to take a $12 million second baseman who peaked
> > > four years earlier?
>
> > Well, you certainly aren't going to get much in return, but I think
> > Phillips is dealable to somebody with a hole at second. An OPS+ of 100
> > and good defense out of an up the middle slot is worthwhile. Somebody
> > like the Cardinals (not the Cardinals, but like them) who play stars and
> > then have holes at other positions might find Phillips very attractive
> > at the trading deadline.
>
> > > Beyond that, I think the only time Walt has to trade him is now.  If
> > > the Reds are anywhere in shouting distance come July, fireselling
> > > Phillips to save cash would be one of those stadium-clearing PR
> > > nightmares Castellini has to be desperate to avoid.
>
> > Yeah. I don't think they can make a white flag trade this year, but if
> > they are 20 out.....
>
> This is one of those contracts that Krivsky made that leaves you
> scratching your head.  11 and 12 million?  Same with Arroyo and
> Cordero at the time.  The guy made some good moves, but he sure
> overpaid for some things.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No way does that option get picked up. By anybody.
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