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From: Gregg on 10 Jul 2010 02:40
On Jul 9, 6:45 pm, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
> The one point I would like to make about the Yankees and their ability
> to get pretty much get any player they wish is as follows. It really
> isn't a free market, they are basically bidding against themselves every
> time. To say the Yankees are just working within the rules maybe fine
> but they definitely aren't working in the interests of major league
> baseball as a whole.
>
> Take Wal-Mart or Exxon Mobile, they maybe the biggest two players in
> their respective industries and practice business within the laws. If
> they happen to put everybody else out of business it would definitely be
> a negative to consumers. But it would certainly be within their right to
> do so. People would still go buy the product they offer albeit probably
> at an exorbitant price that previous competition would have held down.
> Having said all this, the oil industry and retail industry would still
> go on because these two companies don't need Kmart, Sears or Hess to
> survive. Wal-Mart and Exxon's survival is not dependent on these other
> competitors.
>
> But with the Yankees it is totally different. They are most definitely
> dependent on other teams for their existence. Who are they going to play
> if all the other teams went out of business? They going to go around
> playing exhibition games? The other point to be made is the gross
> excessiveness of the Yankee team and their fans. They feel they are
> entitled to be in the playoffs every year. They consider it a given.
> Nothing short of a World Series title is sufficient........ Picking off
> other teams best players is a right according to every Yankee fan. They
> ravage sports talks shows in nyc on a daily basis with all their insane
> scenarios. More often then not they get whatever they wish for! While
> the small market team fan just gets more frustrated. The small market
> team's fan only solace maybe be a few crumbs come the Winter meetings.
> The garden variety Willy Taverases of baseball is all they get to look
> forward to.
>
> This sense of entitlement by the Yankee fan is a big turn off to other
> fans around the league who have suffered long and hard without their
> team ever achieving a .500 record for years. Years of rooting up until
> June and then finally giving up.
>
> Then when their little team finally has a winning season and they have
> some players of any value, their are the Yankees like greedy vultures
> ready to pounce on the lowly small market team's productive players.
>
> Their has to be a better system. It is not an even playing field in MLB.

Good post John. Just remember, on usenet (in most cases) you aren't
going to change anyones mind even though you're right. That why I said
earlier in the year to enjoy Leake and company now while you can, I
hate that it's the truth - but like you said above - those are the
facts.
From: Gregg on 10 Jul 2010 02:41
On Jul 9, 7:03 pm, John Kasupski <w2...(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:45:19 -0700, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
> >The one point I would like to make about the Yankees and their ability
> >to get pretty much get any player they wish is as follows. It really
> >isn't a free market, they are basically bidding against themselves every
> >time. To say the Yankees are just working within the rules maybe fine
> >but they definitely aren't working in the interests of major league
> >baseball as a whole.
>
> >Take Wal-Mart or Exxon Mobile, they maybe the biggest two players in
> >their respective industries and practice business within the laws. If
> >they happen to put everybody else out of business it would definitely be
> >a negative to consumers. But it would certainly be within their right to
> >do so. People would still go buy the product they offer albeit probably
> >at an exorbitant price that previous competition would have held down.
> >Having said all this, the oil industry and retail industry would still
> >go on because these two companies don't need Kmart, Sears or Hess to
> >survive. Wal-Mart and Exxon's survival is not dependent on these other
> >competitors.
>
> >But with the Yankees it is totally different. They are most definitely
> >dependent on other teams for their existence. Who are they going to play
> >if all the other teams went out of business? They going to go around
> >playing exhibition games? The other point to be made is the gross
> >excessiveness of the Yankee team and their fans. They feel they are
> >entitled to be in the playoffs every year. They consider it a given.
> >Nothing short of a World Series title is sufficient........ Picking off
> >other teams best players is a right according to every Yankee fan. They
> >ravage sports talks shows in nyc on a daily basis with all their insane
> >scenarios. More often then not they get whatever they wish for! While
> >the small market team fan just gets more frustrated. The small market
> >team's fan only solace maybe be a few crumbs come the Winter meetings.
> >The garden variety Willy Taverases of baseball is all they get to look
> >forward to.
>
> >This sense of entitlement by the Yankee fan is a big turn off to other
> >fans around the league who have suffered long and hard without their
> >team ever achieving a .500 record for years. Years of rooting up until
> >June and then finally giving up.
>
> >Then when their little team finally has a winning season and they have
> >some players of any value, their are the Yankees like greedy vultures
> >ready to pounce on the lowly small market team's productive players.
>
> >Their has to be a better system. It is not an even playing field in MLB.
>
> Ah, good - you understand why I hate the Yankmes and anything that even remotely
> has anything to do with that franchise!
>
> JK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Exactly :-)
From: HTP on 10 Jul 2010 02:48
On Jul 9, 9:51 am, "Will Vaughan" <ws...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> HTP wrote:
>
> *snip*
>
> > As a yankee fan, i'm leaning towards "opposed" to the trade, because I
> > think they can easily make the postseason without acquiring lee, and
> > because i realize that Sabathia/Pettite/Hughes would likely start
> > almost all of the postseason games anyway (Vasquez wont even pitch in
> > the postseason), and because I dont want to see the Yankees trade away
> > Montero who is likely the heir apparant to Posada.
>
> Dan Duquette and Kevin Kennedy were talking on XM this morning
> how Montero really isn't a very good catcher, but he can really hit and that
> they have a monster in AA (forget the name right now) who is a much better
> catcher and almost equal offensively to Montero.

That would be Austin Romine. I was wrong in stating that Montero is
the heir apparant to Posada. Romine is supposed to be that guy. I'd
forgotten that Montero doesnt project as an everyday catcher and was
probably confusing him a bit with Romine. But he does hit a ton.
Montero was a career .325/.379/.509 hitter entering this season.

Baseball America ranked Montero as the #1 yankee prospect. Romine was
ranked #2. Thus the Yankees top 2 prospects are potential catchers.

Anyway its all moot since Lee went to the Rangers.


From: HTP on 10 Jul 2010 02:58
On Jul 9, 3:45 pm, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
> The one point I would like to make about the Yankees and their ability
> to get pretty much get any player they wish is as follows. It really
> isn't a free market, they are basically bidding against themselves every
> time. To say the Yankees are just working within the rules maybe fine
> but they definitely aren't working in the interests of major league
> baseball as a whole.
>
> Take Wal-Mart or Exxon Mobile, they maybe the biggest two players in
> their respective industries and practice business within the laws. If
> they happen to put everybody else out of business it would definitely be
> a negative to consumers. But it would certainly be within their right to
> do so. People would still go buy the product they offer albeit probably
> at an exorbitant price that previous competition would have held down.
> Having said all this, the oil industry and retail industry would still
> go on because these two companies don't need Kmart, Sears or Hess to
> survive. Wal-Mart and Exxon's survival is not dependent on these other
> competitors.
>
> But with the Yankees it is totally different. They are most definitely
> dependent on other teams for their existence. Who are they going to play
> if all the other teams went out of business? They going to go around
> playing exhibition games? The other point to be made is the gross
> excessiveness of the Yankee team and their fans. They feel they are
> entitled to be in the playoffs every year. They consider it a given.
> Nothing short of a World Series title is sufficient........ Picking off
> other teams best players is a right according to every Yankee fan. They
> ravage sports talks shows in nyc on a daily basis with all their insane
> scenarios. More often then not they get whatever they wish for! While
> the small market team fan just gets more frustrated. The small market
> team's fan only solace maybe be a few crumbs come the Winter meetings.
> The garden variety Willy Taverases of baseball is all they get to look
> forward to.
>
> This sense of entitlement by the Yankee fan is a big turn off to other
> fans around the league who have suffered long and hard without their
> team ever achieving a .500 record for years. Years of rooting up until
> June and then finally giving up.
>
> Then when their little team finally has a winning season and they have
> some players of any value, their are the Yankees like greedy vultures
> ready to pounce on the lowly small market team's productive players.
>
> Their has to be a better system. It is not an even playing field in MLB.

There are so many things wrong with what you've written above that i'm
almost overwhelmed trying to sort through them.
From: Thomas R. Kettler on 10 Jul 2010 15:55
In article
<e6af989d-fbb9-4fe3-ab7e-6971edb7df18(a)w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Gregg <gkotr(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Jul 9, 2:44�pm, "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkett...(a)blownfuse.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <02047745-ddac-41e8-b8f4-4e64ede87...(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > �tom dunne <dunn...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jul 9, 1:37�pm, "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkett...(a)blownfuse.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > Don't forget the immortal in his mind JT Snow who was the big player the
> > > > Angels received for Jim Abbott.
> >
> > > Hey, that one was a pretty good deal. �Snow didn't won six straight
> > > Gold Gloves and had six seasons with an OPS+ of 112 or better (he had
> > > an excellent year in 1997.) �After the trade, Abbott went 40-56 for
> > > the rest of his career, never coming close to his 1991 season.
> > > Definitely a win for the Angels.
> >
> > An OPS+ of 112 for a 1B is no big deal. His career OPS+=105 which is
> > mediocre for a 1B. Remember that OPS+ just takes league average OPS into
> > account (normalized for stadium so that Dante Bichette's stats get taken
> > into account for playing in the Arenaball of Colorado).
> >
> > Baseball Reference has Dan Driessen as the most similar batter to JT
> > Snow. Driessen was an NBD player (No Big Deal) just like JT Snow.
> >
> > <http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snowj.01.shtml>
> >
> > As for Abbott, I don't know what happened to him. His 1995 season for
> > the White Sox and Angels was good (ERA+=124) but he was a human
> > blowtorch in 1996 (ERA=7.48 and ERA+=66) for the Angels, a team which
> > never recovered from its 1995 slide.
> >
> > <http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/abbotji01.shtml>
>
> Damn you Tom for showing that link. :-) I try my hardest to stay away
> from the numbers sites because once I get on one I can't stop. Thanks
> again!

You're welcome but I prefer Thomas if you don't mind.
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