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From: john smith on 9 Jul 2010 18:45 The one point I would like to make about the Yankees and their ability to get pretty much get any player they wish is as follows. It really isn't a free market, they are basically bidding against themselves every time. To say the Yankees are just working within the rules maybe fine but they definitely aren't working in the interests of major league baseball as a whole. Take Wal-Mart or Exxon Mobile, they maybe the biggest two players in their respective industries and practice business within the laws. If they happen to put everybody else out of business it would definitely be a negative to consumers. But it would certainly be within their right to do so. People would still go buy the product they offer albeit probably at an exorbitant price that previous competition would have held down. Having said all this, the oil industry and retail industry would still go on because these two companies don't need Kmart, Sears or Hess to survive. Wal-Mart and Exxon's survival is not dependent on these other competitors. But with the Yankees it is totally different. They are most definitely dependent on other teams for their existence. Who are they going to play if all the other teams went out of business? They going to go around playing exhibition games? The other point to be made is the gross excessiveness of the Yankee team and their fans. They feel they are entitled to be in the playoffs every year. They consider it a given. Nothing short of a World Series title is sufficient........ Picking off other teams best players is a right according to every Yankee fan. They ravage sports talks shows in nyc on a daily basis with all their insane scenarios. More often then not they get whatever they wish for! While the small market team fan just gets more frustrated. The small market team's fan only solace maybe be a few crumbs come the Winter meetings. The garden variety Willy Taverases of baseball is all they get to look forward to. This sense of entitlement by the Yankee fan is a big turn off to other fans around the league who have suffered long and hard without their team ever achieving a .500 record for years. Years of rooting up until June and then finally giving up. Then when their little team finally has a winning season and they have some players of any value, their are the Yankees like greedy vultures ready to pounce on the lowly small market team's productive players. Their has to be a better system. It is not an even playing field in MLB.
From: John Kasupski on 9 Jul 2010 19:00 On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:38:10 GMT, tom(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote: >Curious.. are reds fans also Cavalier fans? I can only speak for my self (of course), and I couldn't possibly care any less about basketball other than to be deeply grateful when the NCAA and NBA playoffs finally end and the media is finally forced to turn its attention to baseball. I found it interesting to note that there's an article on mlb.com today about how Lebron James is not going to New York but the Yankees players wish him well anyway. Why? If I wanted to read about Lebron (which I certainly don't), I'd go to the NBA's web site - and I would not want or expect to find an article there about Cliff Lee being traded to the Rangers. MLB's web site should give its fans what they go there for - baseball - and let the NBA do its own PR work. JK
From: John Kasupski on 9 Jul 2010 19:03 On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:45:19 -0700, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote: >The one point I would like to make about the Yankees and their ability >to get pretty much get any player they wish is as follows. It really >isn't a free market, they are basically bidding against themselves every >time. To say the Yankees are just working within the rules maybe fine >but they definitely aren't working in the interests of major league >baseball as a whole. > >Take Wal-Mart or Exxon Mobile, they maybe the biggest two players in >their respective industries and practice business within the laws. If >they happen to put everybody else out of business it would definitely be >a negative to consumers. But it would certainly be within their right to >do so. People would still go buy the product they offer albeit probably >at an exorbitant price that previous competition would have held down. >Having said all this, the oil industry and retail industry would still >go on because these two companies don't need Kmart, Sears or Hess to >survive. Wal-Mart and Exxon's survival is not dependent on these other >competitors. > >But with the Yankees it is totally different. They are most definitely >dependent on other teams for their existence. Who are they going to play >if all the other teams went out of business? They going to go around >playing exhibition games? The other point to be made is the gross >excessiveness of the Yankee team and their fans. They feel they are >entitled to be in the playoffs every year. They consider it a given. >Nothing short of a World Series title is sufficient........ Picking off >other teams best players is a right according to every Yankee fan. They >ravage sports talks shows in nyc on a daily basis with all their insane >scenarios. More often then not they get whatever they wish for! While >the small market team fan just gets more frustrated. The small market >team's fan only solace maybe be a few crumbs come the Winter meetings. >The garden variety Willy Taverases of baseball is all they get to look >forward to. > >This sense of entitlement by the Yankee fan is a big turn off to other >fans around the league who have suffered long and hard without their >team ever achieving a .500 record for years. Years of rooting up until >June and then finally giving up. > >Then when their little team finally has a winning season and they have >some players of any value, their are the Yankees like greedy vultures >ready to pounce on the lowly small market team's productive players. > > >Their has to be a better system. It is not an even playing field in MLB. Ah, good - you understand why I hate the Yankmes and anything that even remotely has anything to do with that franchise! JK
From: Kommienezuspadt on 9 Jul 2010 19:32 "John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message news:ijaf36524aluqrk8li4ej5l2err3jgphde(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:45:19 -0700, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote: > >>The one point I would like to make about the Yankees and their ability >>to get pretty much get any player they wish is as follows. It really >>isn't a free market, they are basically bidding against themselves every >>time. To say the Yankees are just working within the rules maybe fine >>but they definitely aren't working in the interests of major league >>baseball as a whole. >> >>Take Wal-Mart or Exxon Mobile, they maybe the biggest two players in >>their respective industries and practice business within the laws. If >>they happen to put everybody else out of business it would definitely be >>a negative to consumers. But it would certainly be within their right to >>do so. People would still go buy the product they offer albeit probably >>at an exorbitant price that previous competition would have held down. >>Having said all this, the oil industry and retail industry would still >>go on because these two companies don't need Kmart, Sears or Hess to >>survive. Wal-Mart and Exxon's survival is not dependent on these other >>competitors. >> >>But with the Yankees it is totally different. They are most definitely >>dependent on other teams for their existence. Who are they going to play >>if all the other teams went out of business? They going to go around >>playing exhibition games? The other point to be made is the gross >>excessiveness of the Yankee team and their fans. They feel they are >>entitled to be in the playoffs every year. They consider it a given. >>Nothing short of a World Series title is sufficient........ Picking off >>other teams best players is a right according to every Yankee fan. They >>ravage sports talks shows in nyc on a daily basis with all their insane >>scenarios. More often then not they get whatever they wish for! While >>the small market team fan just gets more frustrated. The small market >>team's fan only solace maybe be a few crumbs come the Winter meetings. >>The garden variety Willy Taverases of baseball is all they get to look >>forward to. >> >>This sense of entitlement by the Yankee fan is a big turn off to other >>fans around the league who have suffered long and hard without their >>team ever achieving a .500 record for years. Years of rooting up until >>June and then finally giving up. >> >>Then when their little team finally has a winning season and they have >>some players of any value, their are the Yankees like greedy vultures >>ready to pounce on the lowly small market team's productive players. >> >> >>Their has to be a better system. It is not an even playing field in MLB. > > Ah, good - you understand why I hate the Yankmes and anything that even > remotely > has anything to do with that franchise! > > JK > that makes two of us.....
From: Gregg on 10 Jul 2010 02:26
On Jul 9, 2:44 pm, "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkett...(a)blownfuse.net> wrote: > In article > <02047745-ddac-41e8-b8f4-4e64ede87...(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, > tom dunne <dunn...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 9, 1:37 pm, "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkett...(a)blownfuse.net> wrote: > > > > Don't forget the immortal in his mind JT Snow who was the big player the > > > Angels received for Jim Abbott. > > > Hey, that one was a pretty good deal. Snow didn't won six straight > > Gold Gloves and had six seasons with an OPS+ of 112 or better (he had > > an excellent year in 1997.) After the trade, Abbott went 40-56 for > > the rest of his career, never coming close to his 1991 season. > > Definitely a win for the Angels. > > An OPS+ of 112 for a 1B is no big deal. His career OPS+=105 which is > mediocre for a 1B. Remember that OPS+ just takes league average OPS into > account (normalized for stadium so that Dante Bichette's stats get taken > into account for playing in the Arenaball of Colorado). > > Baseball Reference has Dan Driessen as the most similar batter to JT > Snow. Driessen was an NBD player (No Big Deal) just like JT Snow. > > <http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snowj.01.shtml> > > As for Abbott, I don't know what happened to him. His 1995 season for > the White Sox and Angels was good (ERA+=124) but he was a human > blowtorch in 1996 (ERA=7.48 and ERA+=66) for the Angels, a team which > never recovered from its 1995 slide. > > <http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/abbotji01.shtml> > -- > Remove blown from email address to reply. Damn you Tom for showing that link. :-) I try my hardest to stay away from the numbers sites because once I get on one I can't stop. Thanks again! |