From: john smith on 2 Jul 2010 18:02
Hey Tom, Lee would hopefully be a 4 month rental if you catch my drift.
From: JustTom on 8 Jul 2010 12:25
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:02:29 -0700, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith)
>Hey Tom, Lee would hopefully be a 4 month rental if you catch my drift.
I think the reds need a TOR type guy to boost chances of getting to
playoffs, and to do much damage if we get there, and Lee fits the bill
perfectly. We're just dickering over price.
I'm just not willing to overpay significantly for Lee. We have a
lot of chips, and I'm more than willing to spend them, but I want to
invest wisely instead of binging it. If we're going to burn through
our apparant surplus of young pitching, then I need longer term
control than a couple of months. That means Haren or Oswalt, or
Greinke, although I can't imagine why KC would give him up.
I saw a lot of fans a couple of years ago saying we should give Cueto
and Votto for Bedard and wondering if that was enough. Heck, I may
have been one of them.
From: John Kasupski on 8 Jul 2010 15:53
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:25:37 GMT, tom(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
>I saw a lot of fans a couple of years ago saying we should give Cueto
>and Votto for Bedard and wondering if that was enough. Heck, I may
>have been one of them.
Yeah, that was back in the winter of '07. Seattle has paid Bedard almost $15
million over 2008 and 2009 for 11 wins - which is precisely how many Cueto won
in 2009 alone - and Bedard's been on the DL for all of this year while Cueto has
racked up another eight wins. Votto has turned into the best 1B the Reds have
had since Tony Perez. Your point is well taken in that Cueto and Votto for
Bedard would've probably been a disaster for the Reds.
Then again, the Reds weren't in a pennant race in November 2007, and we're not
talking Bedard here, we're talking Cliff Lee. Bedard can only wish he was Cliff
Lee. Bedard has never had a 22-win season, won a Cy Young, or pitched in the
postseason going 4-0, 1.56 with two complete games and a WHIP under 1.00 in five
starts. Lee has done exactly all that, and those postseason numbers include
games in Philly and New York where the ballparks aren't friendly to pitchers.
Worse yet, if the Reds stand pat and let the Cardinals make a move like getting
Oswalt, that's a disaster too unless Edinson Volquez comes off the DL and
pitches like Cliff Lee from July 18 until you hear kids banging on your front
door yelling "Trick or treat!"
This is exactly why I'm content to think about baseball from the standpoint of
the field manager and let Walt Jocketty be the GM.
From: Lucky Dog on 9 Jul 2010 17:56
On Jun 30, 6:55 pm, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
> Just heard Peter Gammons on the MLB network report that he had a
> conversation with a guy in Reds management yesterday. Gammons said Lee
> is the guy they really want...He said it would take Alonzo, Wood and
> maybe a another prospect.
> I believe Alonzo is back to playing first base full time in Louisville.
> They say he caught everything when he played the outfield but it looks
> like he just doesn't have the foot speed to be a major league
> outfielder. So with Votto here, Alonzo is never going to see the light
> of day in Cincy. So I am now aboard on this deal.
> I wonder if the Reds could coax the Mariners into throwing League in?
> Imagine bringing in Lee, Volquez and Chapman for the second half. You
> would have to just say wow as a fan.
> Then there is still Homer Bailey. What pleasant problems the Reds have
> now that they have players and pitchers of quality to trade. Things
> could get mighty interesting around here in the next two weeks......
> Just don't tank this road trip..
That might Spell the End of Aaron Harang