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From: ng_reader on 6 Aug 2010 13:47

>
> And I'm wondering if the HP ump didn't blow the call right away, because
> the ball ( to my eyes) initially hits in foul ground . Shouldn't every
> thing after be dead?
>

I can honestly say that I don't know the answer. But, that freaking ball
was foul --- then fair --- then foul again.

Possessed I tell you!
From: bd on 6 Aug 2010 21:26
Robert Harrison <rabiabidabi(a)yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4c5c4883$0$5718$607ed4bc(a)cv.net:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:59:11 -0400, ng_reader wrote:
>
> The rule is if the ball crosses third (or first) base, it's fair. If the
> ball is in foul territory when it passes the bag, it's a foul ball. It
> does not matter where it lands.
>
> And I'm wondering if the HP ump didn't blow the call right away, because
> the ball ( to my eyes) initially hits in foul ground . Shouldn't every
> thing after be dead?
>
> Rob
>

I fthe ball is foul from home plate to two inches from third base and then
it kicks and goes over any part of the bag it is a fair ball.

bdog
From: Rich on 6 Aug 2010 22:45
I umpire baseball. Probably about 100 games a year, from Little League
up through college baseball, although most of my work is at the HS
varsity level.

The rules are quite clear:

(1) If the ball is still in flight (hasn't hit the ground) when it
passes first or third base, it's where the ball lands or passes the
fence line (in case of a home run) that determines whether it's fair or
foul, unless it's touched in flight, then it's the position of the ball.

(2) If the ball hits the ground before first or third base, it's the
position of the ball *as it crosses the base* or when it's touched by a
fielder (whichever comes first) that makes it fair or foul.

The ball bounced foul first, but that's completely irrelvant. A lot of
balls hit in foul ground first that end up fair. Same as the ball
hitting the plate -- it's meaningless, although a lot of clueless
parents will scream out "it hit the plate, that's foul" as if they have
the slightest clue about the rules of the game.

The call belongs to the plate umpire until it reaches the bag --
therefore, if it goes past the bag untouched (either in the air or as a
bounding ball), the call belongs to the base umpire. This is
Davidson's call all the way and the plate guy would *never* get
involved in this.

I think Davidson missed this myself. I find it highly unlikely that
the ball hit fair in front of the bag and then hit fair beyond the bag
(so close) and between those events hooked foul around the base. To be
honest, had Davidson simply held his call for a brief split-second, he
would've seen that ball hit fair right at his feet and it would've
probably helped him make a proper ruling. Without this *help*, though,
this is one helluva tough call to make. You have to know the position
of the ball from about 15-20 feet away (the position of the 3rd base
umpire behind third) and, quite frankly, most times this call is an
educated guess. Of course, that's why I argue that a slight delay to
see where it lands (not that it's relevant in terms of the rule itself)
would've helped Davidson. I know if I see it hit fair in front and
fair behind, I'm calling it fair.

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