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From: Giovanni Wassen on 19 Jun 2010 10:52
Dano wrote:

> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>
>>> no what is stupid is calculating anything beyond ERA.
>>
>> Yeah, cause unearned runs don't count.
>
> Kind of dumb to hang them on the pitcher though. Unless they commit the
> errors.

Sure, but one error with 0 outs and 5 unearned runs (as an example) will
still result in a 0.00 ERA. Even when he gave away 5 HR's.

--
Gio

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From: Dano on 19 Jun 2010 12:01
Giovanni Wassen wrote:
> Dano wrote:
>
>> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
>>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>>
>>>> no what is stupid is calculating anything beyond ERA.
>>>
>>> Yeah, cause unearned runs don't count.
>>
>> Kind of dumb to hang them on the pitcher though. Unless they commit
>> the errors.
>
> Sure, but one error with 0 outs and 5 unearned runs (as an example)
> will still result in a 0.00 ERA. Even when he gave away 5 HR's.

Well you can carry a lot of things to an extreme. I get your point. Fairly
rare for that to happen in such an extreme way. I don't subscribe to
original comment either. What we ALL know is stupid is that poster.

Like a lot of these basic stats...they aren't changed because of the desire
for the historical continuity of the game. Even though it kind of
illustrates how it's really hard to make comparisons across the eras (no pun
intended). I guess that's why we cling to those old (often misleading)
stats. The new ones actually serve better for current evaluations of
today's players.


From: nate on 19 Jun 2010 12:13
On Jun 19, 12:01 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
> > Dano wrote:
>
> >> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
> >>> Ray OHara wrote:
>
> >>>>  no what is stupid is calculating anything beyond ERA.
>
> >>> Yeah, cause unearned runs don't count.
>
> >> Kind of dumb to hang them on the pitcher though.  Unless they commit
> >> the errors.
>
> > Sure, but one error with 0 outs and 5 unearned runs (as an example)
> > will still result in a 0.00 ERA. Even when he gave away 5 HR's.
>
> Well you can carry a lot of things to an extreme.  I get your point.  Fairly
> rare for that to happen in such an extreme way.  I don't subscribe to
> original comment either.  What we ALL know is stupid is that poster.
>
> Like a lot of these basic stats...they aren't changed because of the desire
> for the historical continuity of the game.  Even though it kind of
> illustrates how it's really hard to make comparisons across the eras (no pun
> intended).  I guess that's why we cling to those old (often misleading)
> stats.  The new ones actually serve better for current evaluations of
> today's players.


FWIW, Doubront's ERA after the start: 5.40, = not good.

- nate
From: Wayback1918 on 19 Jun 2010 12:19
On Jun 19, 12:01 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
> > Dano wrote:
>
> >> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
> >>> Ray OHara wrote:
>
> >>>>  no what is stupid is calculating anything beyond ERA.
>
> >>> Yeah, cause unearned runs don't count.
>
> >> Kind of dumb to hang them on the pitcher though.  Unless they commit
> >> the errors.
>
> > Sure, but one error with 0 outs and 5 unearned runs (as an example)
> > will still result in a 0.00 ERA. Even when he gave away 5 HR's.
>
> Well you can carry a lot of things to an extreme.  I get your point.  Fairly
> rare for that to happen in such an extreme way.  I don't subscribe to
> original comment either.  What we ALL know is stupid is that poster.
>

A pitcher allowing 5 Runs with 0 Earned Runs has happened exactly 100
times in the last 20 years....

......the comment about Ray occurs much more frequently.
From: Dano on 19 Jun 2010 12:21
nate wrote:
> On Jun 19, 12:01 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
>>> Dano wrote:
>>
>>>> Giovanni Wassen wrote:
>>>>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>
>>>>>> no what is stupid is calculating anything beyond ERA.
>>
>>>>> Yeah, cause unearned runs don't count.
>>
>>>> Kind of dumb to hang them on the pitcher though. Unless they commit
>>>> the errors.
>>
>>> Sure, but one error with 0 outs and 5 unearned runs (as an example)
>>> will still result in a 0.00 ERA. Even when he gave away 5 HR's.
>>
>> Well you can carry a lot of things to an extreme. I get your point.
>> Fairly rare for that to happen in such an extreme way. I don't
>> subscribe to original comment either. What we ALL know is stupid is
>> that poster.
>>
>> Like a lot of these basic stats...they aren't changed because of the
>> desire for the historical continuity of the game. Even though it
>> kind of illustrates how it's really hard to make comparisons across
>> the eras (no pun intended). I guess that's why we cling to those old
>> (often misleading) stats. The new ones actually serve better for
>> current evaluations of today's players.
>
>
> FWIW, Doubront's ERA after the start: 5.40, = not good.
>

Not so bad for a first taste for a 22 year old kid that was in AA ball a
couple of months ago. I'll bet he would have fared better
against...say...the Pittsburgh Pirates in his first appearance. <g>

If you catch my drift...


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