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From: Ruben Safir on 10 Jun 2010 01:17
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:23 -0700, jonathan wrote:

>> It is not the issue of signing Free Agents.  It is not even an issue of
>> making bad free agent signings, although a smarter team could have
>> reduced the number of bad signings.  It is the insistance of playing
>> those bad free agents whether they perform or not.  That is the biggest
>> problem that hampers this team.
>>
>> Ruben
>
> Everybody makes mistakes. Cashman traded for Javier Vasquez twice and
> Theo Epstein signed Julio Lugo. The difference between those teams and
> the Mets, is that they have Plan B and Plan C for when Plan A doesn't
> work. The Mets barely have Plan A, hence the need to keep throwing
> Oliver Perez out there and to keep Luis Castillo in the lineup.


Its even more than that. They are going to ride the player they paid for
no matter how much they suck. THIS IS THEIR PLAN, and it suck. Sign
some free agents, and play them..because after all WE are paying them.

Ruben
From: jonathan on 10 Jun 2010 07:04
On Jun 10, 1:14 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:43:06 -0700, jonathan wrote:
> >  what the
> >> right approach might be. I personally think they are headed in the
> >> right direction,
>
> > Really, did you happen to do any reading regarding Omar's latest draft?
> > Nice things are being said about Harvey, the kid they took #1.  After
> > that, the Mets did their typical lousy job in the 2-10 range.  Here's
> > Keith Law's assessment, and he's not the only one I found:
>
> I couldn't find much material.  Do you have some links.
>
> Ruben

Here's Jim Callis of Baseball America:

"Sholom (Smithtown , NewYork): Do the Mets or their ownership
understand what the draft is all about or do they simply do not want
to spend any real money? A new ballpark and network should allow them
to invest in their farm system. Drafting 28 college players out of 30
picks speaks volumes.


Jim Callis: They definitely should be much more aggressive than they
are. Every scouting department will spend as much money as it can, so
blame ownership. I was surprised they took a potential over-slot guy
in Matt Harvey in the first round, but after that it was business as
usual."

Frankly, the fact that there isn't much out there is an indictment of
itself. It means there's not much that's interesting to talk about.
Baseball is not like the NBA or the NFL. You WANT to reach in the
baseball draft and take guys with upside. Most of them aren't panning
out anyway. You want high ceiling guys. The Mets are too busy making
nice with the Commissioner's Office and not using their resources to
their advantage.
From: jonathan on 11 Jun 2010 22:36
On Jun 10, 7:04 am, jonathan <jmeri...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 1:14 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:43:06 -0700, jonathan wrote:
> > >  what the
> > >> right approach might be. I personally think they are headed in the
> > >> right direction,
>
> > > Really, did you happen to do any reading regarding Omar's latest draft?
> > > Nice things are being said about Harvey, the kid they took #1.  After
> > > that, the Mets did their typical lousy job in the 2-10 range.  Here's
> > > Keith Law's assessment, and he's not the only one I found:
>
> > I couldn't find much material.  Do you have some links.
>
> > Ruben
>
> Here's Jim Callis of Baseball America:
>
>       "Sholom (Smithtown , NewYork):  Do the Mets or their ownership
> understand what the draft is all about or do they simply do not want
> to spend any real money? A new ballpark and network should allow them
> to invest in their farm system. Drafting 28 college players out of 30
> picks speaks volumes.
>
> Jim Callis: They definitely should be much more aggressive than they
> are. Every scouting department will spend as much money as it can, so
> blame ownership. I was surprised they took a potential over-slot guy
> in Matt Harvey in the first round, but after that it was business as
> usual."
>
> Frankly, the fact that there isn't much out there is an indictment of
> itself.  It means there's not much that's interesting to talk about.
> Baseball is not like the NBA or the NFL.  You WANT to reach in the
> baseball draft and take guys with upside.  Most of them aren't panning
> out anyway.  You want high ceiling guys.  The Mets are too busy making
> nice with the Commissioner's Office and not using their resources to
> their advantage.

Here's Baseball Prospectus:

"New York Mets
Day One Selections
7. Matt Harvey, RHP, North Carolina

Inside the Pick: After looking at college hitters throughout the
spring, the Mets soured on the price tags of Zach Cox and Yasmani
Grandal, while feeling that high school catcher Justin O'Conner just
wasn't good enough to be taken this high. While Harvey doesn't have
the consistency of some other college arms, he certainly has the
upside.
What He is: A pure power pitcher with a big frame and the ability to
not only eat innings, but dominate late in games. His low-to-mid-90s
fastball touched 96-97 mph on occasion this spring, and his slider is
a plus offering that he throws with confidence at any point in the
count.
What He is Not: A guy many teams trust. His first two years at North
Carolina were dogged by inconsistency in stuff, performance, command,
and mechanics, and many teams couldn't put him high on their list
after recalling his nightmarish showing in the Cape Cod League last
summer. He's been awfully good this year, but there's a fear that he's
could regress at any moment.
Path with the Mets: Barring a step in the wrong direction, Harvey
could move relatively quickly. As a Scott Boras client, don't expect a
quick sign, but he should start 2011 at High-A.

Through Three Rounds
3 (89): Blake Forsythe, C, Tennessee

Forsythe has the kind of patience and power rarely found in a catcher,
but it comes with plenty of holes in his swing as well, as few think
he'll hit for average. Thanks to impressive skills, he should at least
be a good backup, with the chance for more.

Of Note Afterward: Fourth-round pick Cory Vaughn is the son of Greg
and has similar tools, but his production has always fallen short of
expectations. Fifth-rounder Matt den Dekker didn't sign last year
after a tough junior year, but only improved a bit this season. He's a
fantastic center fielder, but the bat remains a question mark.
Summary: The Mets surprised many by being willing to spend with their
first pick, and they should be commended for it, but after that, they
became once again predictably boring with their selections."

So more toolsy guys who can't actually play . . . Omar and his
scouting staff strikes again!
From: Ruben Safir on 13 Jun 2010 02:08
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:36:12 -0700, jonathan wrote:

> On Jun 10, 7:04 am, jonathan <jmeri...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 10, 1:14 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:43:06 -0700, jonathan wrote:
>> > >  what the
>> > >> right approach might be. I personally think they are headed in the
>> > >> right direction,
>>
>> > > Really, did you happen to do any reading regarding Omar's latest
>> > > draft? Nice things are being said about Harvey, the kid they took
>> > > #1.  After that, the Mets did their typical lousy job in the 2-10
>> > > range.  Here's Keith Law's assessment, and he's not the only one I
>> > > found:
>>
>> > I couldn't find much material.  Do you have some links.
>>
>> > Ruben
>>
>> Here's Jim Callis of Baseball America:
>>
>>       "Sholom (Smithtown , NewYork):  Do the Mets or their ownership
>> understand what the draft is all about or do they simply do not want to
>> spend any real money? A new ballpark and network should allow them to
>> invest in their farm system. Drafting 28 college players out of 30
>> picks speaks volumes.
>>
>> Jim Callis: They definitely should be much more aggressive than they
>> are. Every scouting department will spend as much money as it can, so
>> blame ownership. I was surprised they took a potential over-slot guy in
>> Matt Harvey in the first round, but after that it was business as
>> usual."
>>
>> Frankly, the fact that there isn't much out there is an indictment of
>> itself.  It means there's not much that's interesting to talk about.
>> Baseball is not like the NBA or the NFL.  You WANT to reach in the
>> baseball draft and take guys with upside.  Most of them aren't panning
>> out anyway.  You want high ceiling guys.  The Mets are too busy making
>> nice with the Commissioner's Office and not using their resources to
>> their advantage.
>
> Here's Baseball Prospectus:
>
> "New York Mets
> Day One Selections
> 7. Matt Harvey, RHP, North Carolina
>
> Inside the Pick: After looking at college hitters throughout the spring,
> the Mets soured on the price tags of Zach Cox and Yasmani Grandal, while
> feeling that high school catcher Justin O'Conner just wasn't good enough
> to be taken this high. While Harvey doesn't have the consistency of some
> other college arms, he certainly has the upside.
> What He is: A pure power pitcher with a big frame and the ability to not
> only eat innings, but dominate late in games. His low-to-mid-90s
> fastball touched 96-97 mph on occasion this spring, and his slider is a
> plus offering that he throws with confidence at any point in the count.
> What He is Not: A guy many teams trust. His first two years at North
> Carolina were dogged by inconsistency in stuff, performance, command,
> and mechanics, and many teams couldn't put him high on their list after
> recalling his nightmarish showing in the Cape Cod League last summer.
> He's been awfully good this year, but there's a fear that he's could
> regress at any moment.
> Path with the Mets: Barring a step in the wrong direction, Harvey could
> move relatively quickly. As a Scott Boras client, don't expect a quick
> sign, but he should start 2011 at High-A.
>
> Through Three Rounds
> 3 (89): Blake Forsythe, C, Tennessee
>
> Forsythe has the kind of patience and power rarely found in a catcher,
> but it comes with plenty of holes in his swing as well, as few think
> he'll hit for average. Thanks to impressive skills, he should at least
> be a good backup, with the chance for more.
>
> Of Note Afterward: Fourth-round pick Cory Vaughn is the son of Greg and
> has similar tools, but his production has always fallen short of
> expectations. Fifth-rounder Matt den Dekker didn't sign last year after
> a tough junior year, but only improved a bit this season. He's a
> fantastic center fielder, but the bat remains a question mark. Summary:
> The Mets surprised many by being willing to spend with their first pick,
> and they should be commended for it, but after that, they became once
> again predictably boring with their selections."
>
> So more toolsy guys who can't actually play . . . Omar and his scouting
> staff strikes again!


The Yankees picked up Rob Segedin who is probably going to be a real
decent hitter.

Ruben
From: jonathan on 13 Jun 2010 08:39
On Jun 13, 2:08 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:36:12 -0700, jonathan wrote:
> > On Jun 10, 7:04 am, jonathan <jmeri...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 10, 1:14 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:43:06 -0700, jonathan wrote:
> >> > >  what the
> >> > >> right approach might be. I personally think they are headed in the
> >> > >> right direction,
>
> >> > > Really, did you happen to do any reading regarding Omar's latest
> >> > > draft? Nice things are being said about Harvey, the kid they took
> >> > > #1.  After that, the Mets did their typical lousy job in the 2-10
> >> > > range.  Here's Keith Law's assessment, and he's not the only one I
> >> > > found:
>
> >> > I couldn't find much material.  Do you have some links.
>
> >> > Ruben
>
> >> Here's Jim Callis of Baseball America:
>
> >>       "Sholom (Smithtown , NewYork):  Do the Mets or their ownership
> >> understand what the draft is all about or do they simply do not want to
> >> spend any real money? A new ballpark and network should allow them to
> >> invest in their farm system. Drafting 28 college players out of 30
> >> picks speaks volumes.
>
> >> Jim Callis: They definitely should be much more aggressive than they
> >> are. Every scouting department will spend as much money as it can, so
> >> blame ownership. I was surprised they took a potential over-slot guy in
> >> Matt Harvey in the first round, but after that it was business as
> >> usual."
>
> >> Frankly, the fact that there isn't much out there is an indictment of
> >> itself.  It means there's not much that's interesting to talk about.
> >> Baseball is not like the NBA or the NFL.  You WANT to reach in the
> >> baseball draft and take guys with upside.  Most of them aren't panning
> >> out anyway.  You want high ceiling guys.  The Mets are too busy making
> >> nice with the Commissioner's Office and not using their resources to
> >> their advantage.
>
> > Here's Baseball Prospectus:
>
> > "New York Mets
> > Day One Selections
> > 7. Matt Harvey, RHP, North Carolina
>
> > Inside the Pick: After looking at college hitters throughout the spring,
> > the Mets soured on the price tags of Zach Cox and Yasmani Grandal, while
> > feeling that high school catcher Justin O'Conner just wasn't good enough
> > to be taken this high. While Harvey doesn't have the consistency of some
> > other college arms, he certainly has the upside.
> > What He is: A pure power pitcher with a big frame and the ability to not
> > only eat innings, but dominate late in games. His low-to-mid-90s
> > fastball touched 96-97 mph on occasion this spring, and his slider is a
> > plus offering that he throws with confidence at any point in the count.
> > What He is Not: A guy many teams trust. His first two years at North
> > Carolina were dogged by inconsistency in stuff, performance, command,
> > and mechanics, and many teams couldn't put him high on their list after
> > recalling his nightmarish showing in the Cape Cod League last summer.
> > He's been awfully good this year, but there's a fear that he's could
> > regress at any moment.
> > Path with the Mets: Barring a step in the wrong direction, Harvey could
> > move relatively quickly. As a Scott Boras client, don't expect a quick
> > sign, but he should start 2011 at High-A.
>
> > Through Three Rounds
> > 3 (89): Blake Forsythe, C, Tennessee
>
> > Forsythe has the kind of patience and power rarely found in a catcher,
> > but it comes with plenty of holes in his swing as well, as few think
> > he'll hit for average. Thanks to impressive skills, he should at least
> > be a good backup, with the chance for more.
>
> > Of Note Afterward: Fourth-round pick Cory Vaughn is the son of Greg and
> > has similar tools, but his production has always fallen short of
> > expectations. Fifth-rounder Matt den Dekker didn't sign last year after
> > a tough junior year, but only improved a bit this season. He's a
> > fantastic center fielder, but the bat remains a question mark. Summary:
> > The Mets surprised many by being willing to spend with their first pick,
> > and they should be commended for it, but after that, they became once
> > again predictably boring with their selections."
>
> > So more toolsy guys who can't actually play . . . Omar and his scouting
> > staff strikes again!
>
> The Yankees picked up Rob Segedin who is probably going to be a real
> decent hitter.
>
> Ruben

Maybe, but it wouldn't surprise me since the Yankees have a history of
picking up depth in the draft. For all the criticism, the Yankees
have 13 players on their 25 man roster that they drafted or signed.
The Mets have 8, which includes Pagan who left and came back. The
Yankees number includes Pettitte. The Yankees system may not have
produced stars recently, but it has filled a lot of holes on their
roster with depth that the Mets have had to sign overpriced declining
veterans to fill instead.
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