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From: Bink B on 21 Jun 2010 19:11 .. League Player Averages Year BA HR RBI SO ----------------------------------------- 2005 .268 19 81 109 2006 .275 20 85 113 2007 .270 18 84 117 2008 .267 18 82 118 2009 .266 20 83 121 These ARE the league averages for a pro player. A player with these stats is an average player by definition. Particular Player Stats Year BA HR RBI SO ---------------------------------------- 2005 .255 19 87 108 2006 .268 25 89 118 2007 .276 26 99 104 2008 .266 25 77 90 2009 .265 8 44 74 (played only 2/3 of a season) Using poor, below average, average, above average or good� how would you describe this batter? Thanks.
From: John Gregory on 21 Jun 2010 19:27 On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Bink B wrote: > Using poor, below average, average, above average or good how would you > describe this batter? Safeco's kind of a pitcher's park, isn't it? You ought to take that into account. I would describe him as a somewhat above average hitting third baseman during his time with the team. He had a really tough time in his first and last seasons, while the middle seasons were pretty good. They overpaid, based on what they thought was a breakout season rather than the career year it actually was. Is that the answer you're ultimately looking for, "not worth the money"? That's pretty much conventional wisdom by now. -- John Gregory ashbury at skypoint.com http://www.skypoint.com/ tilde ashbury Thought for the moment: Some days it is hard to remember which side of the Looking-Glass you are on.
From: Bink B on 21 Jun 2010 22:02 John Gregory wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Bink B wrote: > >> Using poor, below average, average, above average or good how would you >> describe this batter? > > Safeco's kind of a pitcher's park, isn't it? You ought to take > that into account. I would describe him as a somewhat above > average hitting third baseman during his time with the team. > He had a really tough time in his first and last seasons, while > the middle seasons were pretty good. > > They overpaid, based on what they thought was a breakout season > rather than the career year it actually was. Is that the answer > you're ultimately looking for, "not worth the money"? That's > pretty much conventional wisdom by now. Good pickup. I asked because Vinny called his career remarkable and I disagreed and was arguing with a friend.
From: John Gregory on 22 Jun 2010 00:36 On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Bink B wrote: > Good pickup. I asked because Vinny called his career remarkable and I > disagreed and was arguing with a friend. Get new, and better, friends. :) By the way, I didn't bother to argue about how you defined an "average" player, but it could use further refinement. It seems you (or whoever generated those numbers) took the league total for things like HR and RBI, divided by 14 teams (OK), and then divided by 9 batters in the lineup (not so OK). That works only if you assume a player plays every inning of every game. Only stars come even close to that. So a truly average player, with fewer chances, will put up lower totals than those. I think I read somewhere that a percentage close to 10 of all plate appearances have been made by Hall of Famers. That kind of puts a different perspective on how good an "average" player really has to be. A league's total numbers are heavily skewed by the cream of the crop; we don't notice that because of the large number of mediocrities getting fewer than 300 PA. -- John Gregory ashbury at skypoint.com http://www.skypoint.com/ tilde ashbury Thought for the moment: Anything I do is purely coincidental.
From: Bink B on 22 Jun 2010 03:32
John Gregory wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Bink B wrote: > >> Good pickup. I asked because Vinny called his career remarkable and I >> disagreed and was arguing with a friend. > > Get new, and better, friends. :) > > By the way, I didn't bother to argue about how you defined an > "average" player, but it could use further refinement. It > seems you (or whoever generated those numbers) took the league > total for things like HR and RBI, divided by 14 teams (OK), > and then divided by 9 batters in the lineup (not so OK). That > works only if you assume a player plays every inning of every > game. Only stars come even close to that. So a truly average > player, with fewer chances, will put up lower totals than those. So wouldn't that push A.B.'s abilities the the next higher notch in HR and RBIs? Or does that mean there are actually very few average players? Or should I have said average starting player for a better fit? |