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From: Ruben Safir on 29 Jun 2010 00:11
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:48:18 -0700, jonathan wrote:


> Bullshit . . . bullshit . . . bullshit. You don't 'keep the ball in the
> infield'. You can try to keep the ball on the ground but you have very
> little to no control over where on the ground it is hit. Niese, in
> fact, is not a groundball guy.

I was waiting for that. The last game he pitched only 4 outs were in the
OF. The game before that the outs were likewise overwhelmingly in the
infield (unless the MLB website is broken). Aside from that, the curve
is still an A pitch.

Ruben
From: Ruben Safir on 29 Jun 2010 00:16
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:48:18 -0700, jonathan wrote:

> The league average is 89%. 95% of the balls he has fielded resulted in
> outs. The league average is 94%. Essentially Davis is basically
> average.

That bunt he caught the other day midair and then turned into a DP wasn't
a league average play. Nor was his fielding of the errant Wright throw
on the ball that hopped up and nearly hit Wright in the face.

He has been just getting better and better with the glove. And so has
Wright, who is having his best season with the glove, or Reyes or Tejadah

Ruben
From: jonathan on 29 Jun 2010 08:19
On Jun 29, 12:07 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:48:18 -0700, jonathan wrote:
> > Name one.  Be very careful here; you're the one who used the term
> > 'dominating'.  Don't give me Jaime Moyer.  I want to see somebody else
> > who put up a 174 ERA+ after having NEVER CLEARED 100 in any previous
> > major league season.
>
> Mike Scott

Is Dickey going to cheat too?

Also, Scott was 31, not 35. Scott was washed up at 35.
From: jonathan on 29 Jun 2010 08:22
On Jun 29, 12:11 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:48:18 -0700, jonathan wrote:
> > Bullshit . . . bullshit . . . bullshit.  You don't 'keep the ball in the
> > infield'.  You can try to keep the ball on the ground but you have very
> > little to no control over where on the ground it is hit.  Niese, in
> > fact, is not a groundball guy.
>
> I was waiting for that.  The last game he pitched only 4 outs were in the
> OF.  The game before that the outs were likewise overwhelmingly in the
> infield (unless the MLB website is broken).  Aside from that, the curve
> is still an A pitch.
>
> Ruben

Baseball-reference has:

13 GB 3 FB on June 27th
6 GB 10 FB on June 22nd
8 GB 16 FB on June 16th

I don't place much credence on whether the ball was to the infield or
outfield. If you hit a weak ground ball in the right spot, it goes
through the infield. If you miss a flyball by 1/4" on a bat, it's a
pop-up that stays on the infield. Was the ball in the air or on the
ground? Very few home-runs are hit on the ground. If the ball is
down, it gets hit down. That's what's significant.
From: jonathan on 29 Jun 2010 08:25
On Jun 29, 12:16 am, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:48:18 -0700, jonathan wrote:
> > The league average is 89%.  95% of the balls he has fielded resulted in
> > outs.  The league average is 94%. Essentially Davis is basically
> > average.
>
> That bunt he caught the other day midair and then turned into a DP wasn't
> a league average play.  Nor was his fielding of the errant Wright throw
> on the ball that hopped up and nearly hit Wright in the face.
>
> He has been just getting better and better with the glove.  And so has
> Wright, who is having his best season with the glove, or Reyes or Tejadah
>
> Ruben

You're using isolated examples. Any player who can get to the major
league level is capable of making great defensive plays. That's why
they can play Major League Baseball. If I did the research and
watched every game Mike Piazza played at first base, I can find diving
stops and great pickups. I can find terrible plays Ozzie Smith made.
That's doesn't mean a player is a great defender. It means they made
a great play. Hell, I have High School players who occassionally make
diving catches who otherwise don't catch a single ball all year.
That's baseball. Every once in a while everybody makes a play.
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