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From: The Gnorkmeister on 13 May 2010 20:51 The Mariners led Baltimore 5-1 going into the bottom of the 8th today. King Felix had allowed just 5 hits and the one run. So the manager pulls his ace for Brandon "Texas" League. League allowed 3 hits including a solo HR and a grand slam and walked a guy and other hitter swung at a wild pitch for strike three but reached base safely. Typical managerial stupidity. Wakamatsu snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. I love when that happens.
From: John on 13 May 2010 22:57 "The Gnorkmeister" <gnork(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:0d2752cc-f7c1-4d71-b25f-553ea9d2c1d9(a)z15g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > The Mariners led Baltimore 5-1 going into the bottom of the 8th today. > King Felix had allowed just 5 hits and the one run. So the manager > pulls his ace for Brandon "Texas" League. League allowed 3 hits > including a solo HR and a grand slam and walked a guy and other hitter > swung at a wild pitch for strike three but reached base safely. > > Typical managerial stupidity. Wakamatsu snatched defeat from the jaws > of victory. I love when that happens. It is stupid. The pitch count is ruining baseball. Nolan Ryan does not like it and baseball shouldn't either. Why take someone out that is going good and give the opposing team a new life.
From: The Gnorkmeister on 13 May 2010 23:57 On May 13, 7:57 pm, "John" <johnswi...(a)charter.net> wrote: > "The Gnorkmeister" <gn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:0d2752cc-f7c1-4d71-b25f-553ea9d2c1d9(a)z15g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > > > The Mariners led Baltimore 5-1 going into the bottom of the 8th today. > > King Felix had allowed just 5 hits and the one run. So the manager > > pulls his ace for Brandon "Texas" League. League allowed 3 hits > > including a solo HR and a grand slam and walked a guy and other hitter > > swung at a wild pitch for strike three but reached base safely. > > > Typical managerial stupidity. Wakamatsu snatched defeat from the jaws > > of victory. I love when that happens. > > It is stupid. The pitch count is ruining baseball. Nolan Ryan does not like > it and baseball shouldn't either. Why take someone out that is going good > and give the opposing team a new life. Especially when that someone is one of the best pitchers in baseball and the next guy is a career mediocrity. Also Felix was just a bit over 100 pitches. Any properly trained and conditioned starter should be good for about 135 pitches over 9 innings. That is a modest 15 per inning. As long as there aren't a couple of 30 to 40 pitch innings mixed in with some 6 to 8 pitch inings, the workload is smooth and very easily tolerable. Nolan Ryan certainly would agree.
From: McDuck on 14 May 2010 01:08 On Thu, 13 May 2010 20:57:52 -0700 (PDT), The Gnorkmeister <gnork(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On May 13, 7:57�pm, "John" <johnswi...(a)charter.net> wrote: >> "The Gnorkmeister" <gn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:0d2752cc-f7c1-4d71-b25f-553ea9d2c1d9(a)z15g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >> >> > The Mariners led Baltimore 5-1 going into the bottom of the 8th today. >> > King Felix had allowed just 5 hits and the one run. So the manager >> > pulls his ace for Brandon "Texas" League. League allowed 3 hits >> > including a solo HR and a grand slam and walked a guy and other hitter >> > swung at a wild pitch for strike three but reached base safely. >> >> > Typical managerial stupidity. Wakamatsu snatched defeat from the jaws >> > of victory. I love when that happens. >> >> It is stupid. The pitch count is ruining baseball. Nolan Ryan does not like >> it and baseball shouldn't either. Why take someone out that is going good >> and give the opposing team a new life. > >Especially when that someone is one of the best pitchers in baseball >and the next guy is a career mediocrity. Also Felix was just a bit >over 100 pitches. Any properly trained and conditioned starter should >be good for about 135 pitches over 9 innings. That is a modest 15 per >inning. As long as there aren't a couple of 30 to 40 pitch innings >mixed in with some 6 to 8 pitch inings, the workload is smooth and >very easily tolerable. Nolan Ryan certainly would agree. And you say you don't want to flog the pitchers. 135 pitches as a regular diet! wow! I knew you liked to flog the pitchers, but I really did not understand how high you would go. I doubt Nolan Ryan would agree. He may not be all that smart (I don't know anything about his intelligence), but he obviously is not an idiot. Why would you think that Nolan Ryan is an idiot? What really stupid thing has he done to make you think that? He is president of the club, and he has not ordered his manager to flog the starting pitchers. Gnork, you are always belittling the 3-run save, and maybe correctly (at least I agree, for whatever that is worth to you). As you have noted, almost any mediocrity can be expected to hold a 3-run lead for an inning. Basically, the same goes for a 4-run lead with two innings left. Why flog a great pitcher when a mediocrity can be expected 99% of the time to get the job done? That the guy failed for Seattle is not an indication that the move was wrong. You have to judge moves before you know the outcome. Some good moves turn out badly, and some bad moves turn out good. You used to know this.
From: The Gnorkmeister on 14 May 2010 01:17
On May 13, 10:08 pm, McDuck <wallyDELETEMEMcD...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 2010 20:57:52 -0700 (PDT), The Gnorkmeister > > > > > > <gn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >On May 13, 7:57 pm, "John" <johnswi...(a)charter.net> wrote: > >> "The Gnorkmeister" <gn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >>news:0d2752cc-f7c1-4d71-b25f-553ea9d2c1d9(a)z15g2000prh.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > The Mariners led Baltimore 5-1 going into the bottom of the 8th today. > >> > King Felix had allowed just 5 hits and the one run. So the manager > >> > pulls his ace for Brandon "Texas" League. League allowed 3 hits > >> > including a solo HR and a grand slam and walked a guy and other hitter > >> > swung at a wild pitch for strike three but reached base safely. > > >> > Typical managerial stupidity. Wakamatsu snatched defeat from the jaws > >> > of victory. I love when that happens. > > >> It is stupid. The pitch count is ruining baseball. Nolan Ryan does not like > >> it and baseball shouldn't either. Why take someone out that is going good > >> and give the opposing team a new life. > > >Especially when that someone is one of the best pitchers in baseball > >and the next guy is a career mediocrity. Also Felix was just a bit > >over 100 pitches. Any properly trained and conditioned starter should > >be good for about 135 pitches over 9 innings. That is a modest 15 per > >inning. As long as there aren't a couple of 30 to 40 pitch innings > >mixed in with some 6 to 8 pitch inings, the workload is smooth and > >very easily tolerable. Nolan Ryan certainly would agree. > > And you say you don't want to flog the pitchers. 135 pitches as a > regular diet! wow! I knew you liked to flog the pitchers, but I really > did not understand how high you would go. > > I doubt Nolan Ryan would agree. He may not be all that smart (I don't > know anything about his intelligence), but he obviously is not an > idiot. Why would you think that Nolan Ryan is an idiot? What really > stupid thing has he done to make you think that? He is president of > the club, and he has not ordered his manager to flog the starting > pitchers. > > Gnork, you are always belittling the 3-run save, and maybe correctly > (at least I agree, for whatever that is worth to you). As you have > noted, almost any mediocrity can be expected to hold a 3-run lead for > an inning. Basically, the same goes for a 4-run lead with two innings > left. Why flog a great pitcher when a mediocrity can be expected 99% > of the time to get the job done? That the guy failed for Seattle is > not an indication that the move was wrong. > > You have to judge moves before you know the outcome. Some good moves > turn out badly, and some bad moves turn out good. You used to know > this.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I still do. That was a very bad move. Seattle has been terrible and with Hernandez continuing to pitch they had a 99.9% or so chance of winning. I consistently favor letting the pitcher pitch when he is doing well. If you note it was not a blanket 135 pitches is okay. Over 9 innings with a fairly even workload and a conditioned non straining pitcher, it is very easy. Yes, it is. Now with an 11-1 lead after 7 innings and some schlup in the BP in need of work, go ahead and pull your guy. Just don't do it for the hell of it. BTW congrats to Latos of the Padres for his CG 1-0 win tonight. He also singled in the only run of the game. |