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From: Pearly Soames on 14 May 2010 07:14 The Gnorkmeister wrote: > On May 13, 7:57 pm, "John" <johnswi...(a)charter.net> wrote: >> >> It is stupid. The pitch count is ruining baseball. Nolan Ryan does not like >> it and baseball shouldn't either. Why take someone out that is going good >> and give the opposing team a new life. > > Especially when that someone is one of the best pitchers in baseball > and the next guy is a career mediocrity. Also Felix was just a bit > over 100 pitches. Any properly trained and conditioned starter should > be good for about 135 pitches over 9 innings. That is a modest 15 per > inning. As long as there aren't a couple of 30 to 40 pitch innings > mixed in with some 6 to 8 pitch inings, the workload is smooth and > very easily tolerable. Nolan Ryan certainly would agree. OK, so what was his pitch profile for the game? Did he not have any long innings? And even if a well-conditioned starter should be able to throw 135 pitches, is he conditioned that way, that is, was he still fresh or was he tired? Sorry to ask all these dumb questions, but all I saw was the box score and wasn't ready to claim managerial stupidity. -- OK, who�s got the kibble?
From: DonFromBarre on 14 May 2010 08:20 Gnork says: <<Typical managerial stupidity. Wakamatsu snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. I love when that happens.>> Do you love it when Mr. Francona does it? <G> Not that I can recall him doing it that badly of course. -- 'I'm constantly amazed at your ability to live.' 'Better than dying' Paraphrased from Alan Shore and Denny Crane by DONNIE VEE!!!
From: mr. gone on 14 May 2010 08:39 In article <0mlpu5pp5bl553hpou9ind96r3jkogpq1j(a)4ax.com>, wallyDELETEMEMcDuck(a)comcast.net says... > You have to judge moves before you know the outcome. Some good moves > turn out badly, and some bad moves turn out good. You used to know > this. > > i'm surprised he ever "knew" anything resembling accurate information or conclusions.
From: Wayback1918 on 14 May 2010 10:35 On May 14, 7:14 am, Pearly Soames <tom.champa...(a)charter.net> wrote: > The Gnorkmeister wrote: > > On May 13, 7:57 pm, "John" <johnswi...(a)charter.net> wrote: > > >> It is stupid. The pitch count is ruining baseball. Nolan Ryan does not like > >> it and baseball shouldn't either. Why take someone out that is going good > >> and give the opposing team a new life. > > > Especially when that someone is one of the best pitchers in baseball > > and the next guy is a career mediocrity. Also Felix was just a bit > > over 100 pitches. Any properly trained and conditioned starter should > > be good for about 135 pitches over 9 innings. That is a modest 15 per > > inning. As long as there aren't a couple of 30 to 40 pitch innings > > mixed in with some 6 to 8 pitch inings, the workload is smooth and > > very easily tolerable. Nolan Ryan certainly would agree. > > OK, so what was his pitch profile for the game? Did he not have any > long innings? And even if a well-conditioned starter should be able to > throw 135 pitches, is he conditioned that way, that is, was he still > fresh or was he tired? Sorry to ask all these dumb questions, but all I > saw was the box score and wasn't ready to claim managerial stupidity. It doesn't seem like Hernandez struggled in the 7th. A 14 pitch inning where gave up two hits (one of the infield variety) and struck out two. I also looked to see if Brandon League needed work. This also did not seem to be the case as the reliever had pitched two days earlier. In fact that was League's 5th appearance in that week. He is currently on a pace to pitch in 81 games and 95 innings.....both would be career highs. If anything the choice of League might be questioned. He did have a nifty 1.86 ERA when he came into the game...... but he also had 3 blown saves and this was his third relief loss this year. Still Wakamatsu should have had confidence that this game was in the bag and that saving his 25 year old star pitcher an inning here or there early in a long season had merit..... .....or maybe he was thinking that if he got Hernandez hurt unneccessarily they would be introducing him as "Don Wakamatsu the ex- manager of the Seattle Mariners".
From: Ray OHara on 14 May 2010 16:30
"The Gnorkmeister" <gnork(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:612dfd89-fbe9-40d9-b6ee- I still do. That was a very bad move. Seattle has been terrible and with Hernandez continuing to pitch they had a 99.9% or so chance of winning. I consistently favor letting the pitcher pitch when he is doing well. If you note it was not a blanket 135 pitches is okay. Over 9 innings with a fairly even workload and a conditioned non straining pitcher, it is very easy. Yes, it is. Now with an 11-1 lead after 7 innings and some schlup in the BP in need of work, go ahead and pull your guy. Just don't do it for the hell of it. BTW congrats to Latos of the Padres for his CG 1-0 win tonight. He also singled in the only run of the game. ==================================================================== take it up with Tony Lorussa Bob Ryan warned about "creeping Lorussaism" in baseball management years back. he and Billy Beane have been ruining baseball by overthinking it.. |