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From: PETER SHORTS on 17 Sep 2009 17:29
On Sep 17, 4:01 pm, whatitis <foxfirecont...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 9:52 am, Smithee <ssmith2...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 8:27 am, Wayback1918 <wayback1...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > Jon Heyman writes about Future FAs Bay and Holliday. He says he
> > > asked an "Unnamed GM" and "Unnamed Agent" what they thought the two 30-
> > > somthing LF would get this off season....he also put his own
> > > prediction in there.
>
> > > Matt Holliday:
> > > Agent: $147 million, 7 years.
> > > GM: $80 million, 5 years.
> > > Heyman: $120 million, 7 years.
>
> > > Jason Bay:
> > > Agent: $147 million, 7 years.
> > > GM: $60 million, 4 years.
> > > Heyman: $80 million, 5 years.
>
> > > It should be noted that Heyman is known for breaking a lot of stories
> > > about Boras clients...but the agent is still 'Unknown"
>
> > Both are saying $147, 7 years because they know the Yankees will be
> > looking for a power-hitting left fielder this off season and will bid
> > ridiculously higher than anybody else; much like they did for
> > Teixeira, Sabathia, and Burnett. The amazing thing about these
> > signings was not just that they outbid everyone else, it was just how
> > much more than the second highest bidder. For CC, it was $60 million
> > more than the Brewers/Angels, for Burnett, nobody else had bid yet and
> > they still went that high, and of course, for Teixeira, they were $16
> > million more than the Red Sox.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> sorta like Dice K's bidding process huh?
> Or how about the most famous of all time...remember Offerrman?

yeah, who could forget offerman, the most famous of all time.
From: McDuck on 18 Sep 2009 10:58
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:29:25 -0700 (PDT), PETER SHORTS
<petershrts(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>> sorta like Dice K's bidding process huh?

I disagree on dice-K. The RS figured, correctly, that whatever they
paid for the right to sign Matsuzaka would come out of the subsequent
player contract, so no sense in not bidding high to guarantee (or
nearly so) the win. And, despite this year of disappointment, Dice-K
was well worth his salary, including the pro rated share of the
signing fee.

>> Or how about the most famous of all time...remember Offerrman?
>

I agree on Offerman. The contract was an oddity (well above perceived
market price), although he had a really good year in Boston for a 2d
baseman (OPS = .826), which was down from .841 in his last year with
the Royals. The signing reflected the early RS affection for a good
OBP (Jose got a lot of BBs) --- plus, of course, the "desperation" in
losing Mo Vaughn. But after Jose's first year in Boston, he was a dud.

>yeah, who could forget offerman, the most famous of all time.
From: McDuck on 18 Sep 2009 11:01
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:33:47 -0700 (PDT), Mortimer
<ecthaking1(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 17, 8:27�am, Wayback1918 <wayback1...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>> Jon Heyman writes about Future FAs �Bay and Holliday. �He says he
>> asked an "Unnamed GM" and "Unnamed Agent" what they thought the two 30-
>> somthing LF would get this off season....he also put his own
>> prediction in there.
>>
>> Matt Holliday:
>> Agent: $147 million, 7 years.
>> GM: $80 million, 5 years.
>> Heyman: $120 million, 7 years.
>>
>> Jason Bay:
>> Agent: $147 million, 7 years.
>> GM: $60 million, 4 years.
>> Heyman: $80 million, 5 years.
>
>If we could offload JD drew for some prospects to somebody in the NL,
>then I'd happily give Bay or Holliday their huge payday for $147
>million @ 7 or 8 years. But we're dealing in reality, and J.Bay's not
>going to get that much $$$ in his wildest dreams. On the other hand, I
>wouldn't be surprised to see somebody pony up the dough(over $120
>million) for Holliday's services.

Should be interesting. If NYY moves first, they will sign Holliday,
which then will kill the "inflated" market for Bay --- no one but NYY
would bid in that range for Bay. But the high price for Holliday will
also set the market for a v. good LF. The RS will probably stay in the
Holliday bidding, as they did with Teixiera, just to be sure that if
they lose him, NYY pays through the nose for him.
From: PETER SHORTS on 18 Sep 2009 11:30
On Sep 18, 10:58 am, McDuck <wallyDELETEMEMcD...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:29:25 -0700 (PDT), PETER SHORTS
>
> <petersh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> sorta like Dice K's bidding process huh?
>
> I disagree on dice-K. The RS figured, correctly, that whatever they
> paid for the right to sign Matsuzaka would come out of the subsequent
> player contract, so no sense in not bidding high to guarantee (or
> nearly so) the win. And, despite this year of disappointment, Dice-K
> was well worth his salary, including the pro rated share of the
> signing fee.
>
> >> Or how about the most famous of all time...remember Offerrman?
>
> I agree on Offerman. The contract was an oddity (well above perceived
> market price), although he had a really good year in Boston for a 2d
> baseman (OPS = .826), which was down from .841 in his last year with
> the Royals. The signing reflected the early RS affection for a good
> OBP (Jose got a lot of BBs) --- plus, of course, the "desperation" in
> losing Mo Vaughn. But after Jose's first year in Boston, he was a dud.
>
> >yeah, who could forget offerman, the most famous of all time.

hey, why did you do that? i didn't write the stuff you responded to,
whatitis did.
From: Mortimer on 18 Sep 2009 17:12
On Sep 18, 11:01 am, McDuck <wallyDELETEMEMcD...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Should be interesting. If NYY moves first, they will sign Holliday,
> which then will kill the "inflated" market for Bay --- no one but NYY
> would bid in that range for Bay. But the high price for Holliday will
> also set the market for a v. good LF. The RS will probably stay in the
> Holliday bidding, as they did with Teixiera, just to be sure that if
> they lose him, NYY pays through the nose for him.

Do you think the NYY will re-sign Damon and Matsui? The Mariners look
like the most obvious choice for Matsui to continue his career in MLB
as a DH. But, Holliday will get his big payday, he rejected a very
gracious contract extension offer by the Rockies like Tex did with the
Rangers, so expect him to get at least $100 million.






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