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From: David Short on 22 Sep 2009 08:55 HTP wrote: > On Sep 21, 12:14 pm, Ron Johnson <john...(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote: >> On Sep 21, 2:29 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sep 21, 10:50 am, Ron Johnson <john...(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote: >>>> As it happens,Pinson's birthday is in April so he wasn't >>>> quite 37 when the season started (and nobody invited him >>>> to camp). I'm about 99% confident that Pinson didn't >>>> so much retire as run out of opportunities. >>> According to his B-R page, released by the Brewers Apr 4, 1976 after >>> being signed in January. I assume he just didnt make the cut coming >>> out of camp that year. >> Good catch. Didn't realize Sean had full transactions >> (including release) that far back. But I should know >> that Sean ROOOLZ and and checked. Doesn't change the >> point. He extended his career as far as possible. > > You know the guy that runs that site? Sean used to post regularly in Rec.Sports.Baseball. The Usenet version of this group for all teams. Several of the guys associated with Baseball Prospectus and several other sites did is well. > It bothers me that he has so many ads on the pages now. Pop-ups that > happen when you move your mouse around are quite annoying. But I guess > thats the price you pay for the breadth of info he now supplies. He's > got bills to pay. If you don't like the ads, you are more than welcome to sponsor some pages. We all have to pay the bills somehow. dfs
From: Bushcraftgregg on 23 Sep 2009 07:40 On Sep 21, 9:37 am, Kevin McClave <kmccl...(a)SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:24:43 -0700 (PDT), Bushcraftgregg > > > > > > <gk...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >On Sep 15, 4:14 pm, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Ron Johnson" <john...(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote in message > > >>news:43ef74df-9296-4712-88a4-6c2645959803(a)m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com.... > >> On Sep 15, 2:06 pm, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> > "john smith" <eddyg...(a)msn.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:1955-4AAFCF1D-10838(a)baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com... > > >> > > Derek Jeter= Barry Larkin less the injuries, range and can't forget the > >> > > Worldd Series(4 Rings as oppposed to 1 Larkin ring).... > > >> > > If Larkin had played for the Yanks he would be considered a lock hall of > >> > > famer. He will be lucky to get in IMO. Definitely won't be in there on > >> > > first ballot.... > > >> > So being on the Yankees DL as opposed the Cincy DL would put him in the > >> > Hall > >> > of Fame? > > >> > You should be arguing Davey to the HOF. He had more range than either of > >> > them. > >> >And they more than made up the difference with their bats. > > >> The comment was about 'range'. > > >> And I thought Barry became an arrogant jerk-off that turned his back on his > >> team more than once. I didn't forget about him ripping the 'C' off his > >> uniform or leaving early during a game spitting in McKeon's face. They > >> manipulated Uncle Carl into giving him his last contract, which was a > >> mistake. > > >> I have an admitted bias..............He's a Wolverine. Screw him!- Hide quoted text - > > >Not that I doubt you Bob, because I don't. But > >did he (Larkin) actually spit in Jack's face? > > >I think I vaguely remember "something" about that > >but it somewhat escapes my mind. Just asking. > > I am almost certain Danny was being figurative and that Larkin never > actually spit in McKeon's face. He and Griffey *did* leave the team > during the last game of Jack's final season with the Reds, though. I > thought that was bush league when it happened, even though I don't hold > the harsh feelings for Larkin generally that Danny does. The captain > thing, for example (and again, he didn't *literally* rip the C of his > jersey, I think he asked to have it removed) wasn't a big deal to > me...in fact, given the way the Reds were running at that time (the more > things change...), it was an understandable blow up. > > ********************************************************************* > Kevin McClave > > "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of > people walking on it." ~Robert F. Kennedy > *********************************************************************- Ah. Copy that. Thanks for clearing that up Kevin.
From: Bushcraftgregg on 23 Sep 2009 07:44 On Sep 21, 11:56 am, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > Bushcraftgregg wrote: > > On Sep 18, 11:33 am, Ron Johnson <john...(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote: > >> On Sep 17, 10:39 am, Zuke <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > >>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, JustTom wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:00:53 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> Congratulations to a classy professional. > >>>> I was kind of surprised there haven't been any yanks with 3000 hits. > >>> Makes another case for Vada Pinson for the Hall of Fame. What was > >>> he, about 200 hits short? In this day and age he could have probably > >>> played another 5 years and made it easily. > >> I doubt it. He was entering his 37 year season. Was coming > >> off a terrible year and hadn't actually played well for > >> years. He didn't retire in 1976, nobody wanted him. > > >> I think he's a classic illustration in how a player with > >> poor plate discipline but a quick bat is finished the > >> moment the bat slows. > > > Ron, I read and reread your post. Did you mean > > Pinson played 37 seasons and he didn't retire > > till 76? Surely I misunderstood or there was a typo, > > just curious. {?} > > Not Ron, > > Pinson would have been 37 years old in 1976. > Pinson last played in September of 1975 for the Royals. > He didn't so much "retire" as much as he played so poorly that nobody > wanted him around anymore. > > dfs- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Oh, I see. I had no clue that Vada played for that long. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
From: Bushcraftgregg on 23 Sep 2009 07:51 On Sep 21, 2:32 pm, Zuke <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sep 21, 10:20 am, Bushcraftgregg <gk...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> On Sep 18, 11:33 am, Ron Johnson <john...(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote: > > >>> On Sep 17, 10:39 am, Zuke <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, JustTom wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:00:53 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> Congratulations to a classy professional. > > >>>>> I was kind of surprised there haven't been any yanks with 3000 hits.. > > >>>> Makes another case for Vada Pinson for the Hall of Fame. What was > >>>> he, about 200 hits short? In this day and age he could have probably > >>>> played another 5 years and made it easily. > > >>> I doubt it. He was entering his 37 year season. Was coming > >>> off a terrible year and hadn't actually played well for > >>> years. He didn't retire in 1976, nobody wanted him. > > >>> I think he's a classic illustration in how a player with > >>> poor plate discipline but a quick bat is finished the > >>> moment the bat slows. > > >> Ron, I read and reread your post. Did you mean > >> Pinson played 37 seasons and he didn't retire > >> till 76? Surely I misunderstood or there was a typo, > >> just curious. {?} > > > David explained it well. I used the phrase "37 year season" > > rather than "he was 37 years old" to be consistent with the > > age you see listed on baseball-reference. (which is age > > at midnight, June 30) > > > As it happens,Pinson's birthday is in April so he wasn't > > quite 37 when the season started (and nobody invited him > > to camp). I'm about 99% confident that Pinson didn't > > so much retire as run out of opportunities. > > I agreed with that after I looked up his stats. Unbelievable > that he was still around in '75, the greatest year in Reds > history. Bill James has him listed 18th in all time centerfielders.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That's kind of what I was getting at Zuke. I knew of the history of Pinson and his part in Red's history. I knew of just about every player and who they played for and their batting stance/pitcher's delivery etc. and had not a clue that Vada even attempted to play in nineteen freeking seventy six, mind boggling to me. That's a cool opinion that James has him ranked so high, that speaks volumes. I'm definitely going to check out Vada's stats again seeing how he has been brought up.
From: Bob Braun on 23 Sep 2009 12:59
"Bushcraftgregg" <gkotr(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3f09e2f2-447f-4909-8bad-6c5c970a751e(a)k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... On Sep 21, 2:32 pm, Zuke <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sep 21, 10:20 am, Bushcraftgregg <gk...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> On Sep 18, 11:33 am, Ron Johnson <john...(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote: > > >>> On Sep 17, 10:39 am, Zuke <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, JustTom wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:00:53 -0400, "Bob Braun" > >>>>> <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> Congratulations to a classy professional. > > >>>>> I was kind of surprised there haven't been any yanks with 3000 hits. > > >>>> Makes another case for Vada Pinson for the Hall of Fame. What was > >>>> he, about 200 hits short? In this day and age he could have probably > >>>> played another 5 years and made it easily. > > >>> I doubt it. He was entering his 37 year season. Was coming > >>> off a terrible year and hadn't actually played well for > >>> years. He didn't retire in 1976, nobody wanted him. > > >>> I think he's a classic illustration in how a player with > >>> poor plate discipline but a quick bat is finished the > >>> moment the bat slows. > > >> Ron, I read and reread your post. Did you mean > >> Pinson played 37 seasons and he didn't retire > >> till 76? Surely I misunderstood or there was a typo, > >> just curious. {?} > > > David explained it well. I used the phrase "37 year season" > > rather than "he was 37 years old" to be consistent with the > > age you see listed on baseball-reference. (which is age > > at midnight, June 30) > > > As it happens,Pinson's birthday is in April so he wasn't > > quite 37 when the season started (and nobody invited him > > to camp). I'm about 99% confident that Pinson didn't > > so much retire as run out of opportunities. > > I agreed with that after I looked up his stats. Unbelievable > that he was still around in '75, the greatest year in Reds > history. Bill James has him listed 18th in all time centerfielders.- Hide > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That's kind of what I was getting at Zuke. I knew of the history of Pinson and his part in Red's history. I knew of just about every player and who they played for and their batting stance/pitcher's delivery etc. and had not a clue that Vada even attempted to play in nineteen freeking seventy six, mind boggling to me. That's a cool opinion that James has him ranked so high, that speaks volumes. I'm definitely going to check out Vada's stats again seeing how he has been brought up. ******************************************* Relative to the length of Vada's career............did anyone note that he was a chain smoker? He would light up in the tunnel between innings. |