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From: JustTom on 30 Apr 2010 08:01
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:08:04 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>The problem there was Hannigan. Oswalt pitched around him to get to Arroyo.
>BUT....he threw Hannigan a good clean fastball, belt high on the outer half
>of the plate.
>He took it and subsequently walked, bringing Arroyo up. Hannigan must be
>aware of the situation, Nix at 3rd and the pitcher behind him.
>
>Hit that pitch to the right side and get the stinking run home! Don't pass
>it to the pitcher. That pitch was thrown in area where Hannigan should have
>been begging for. Big mistake and it shows nowhere in the boxscore.
>

I still like Hannigan's approach and think we would be better served
by having his OBP in the 2 hole.

I'd kind of like to see the role of Hanigan and Ramon reversed with
Ryan getting the majority of the innings until he shows he can't do
it..


From: David Short on 30 Apr 2010 09:43
On 4/30/2010 8:01 AM, JustTom wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:08:04 -0400, "Bob Braun"<oxinfla(a)hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> The problem there was Hannigan. Oswalt pitched around him to get to Arroyo.
>> BUT....he threw Hannigan a good clean fastball, belt high on the outer half
>> of the plate.
>> He took it and subsequently walked, bringing Arroyo up. Hannigan must be
>> aware of the situation, Nix at 3rd and the pitcher behind him.
>>
>> Hit that pitch to the right side and get the stinking run home! Don't pass
>> it to the pitcher. That pitch was thrown in area where Hannigan should have
>> been begging for. Big mistake and it shows nowhere in the boxscore.
>>
>
> I still like Hannigan's approach and think we would be better served
> by having his OBP in the 2 hole.

My suspicion is that Hannigan's OBP would vanish once he's moved out of
the #8 hole. He's being "protected" by the pitcher.

dfs
From: RJA on 30 Apr 2010 10:36
On Apr 30, 7:52 am, t...(a)nomail.please (JustTom) wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:51:12 -0700 (PDT), Chuck
>
> <chuckw...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Chris Dickerson wanted the job but is pitiful so far tonight. 2
> >strikeouts in his first two at bats. Leaving 2 on in the second. And
> >Drew Stubs has just replaced him Hmmm Dusty might be raising some
> >hell?  At least Stubs makes contact.
>
> Other than being very fast and a CF, Stubbs has no business being
> anywhere near the leadoff spot.
>
> I'd like to see them drop him to 6 or 7 and then just leave him the
> hell alone to see if he can hit for enough power to make it..
>
> In addition to his contact problems, it's clear that leading off is
> messing with his approach.   I'm pretty sure I've seen somewhere that
> he's indicated he likes being lower in the order as well, so why mess
> with the rookie's head?

I'm willing to leave him there. I don't care about the Ks. The kid
has 11 walks and is a great base runner. The other day on what seemed
to be a routine fly to right to end the inning, he scored from first
base because he was busting it. Meanwhile, Brandon Phillips loafed
and could only make it to second when the right fielder couldn't make
the play. Last night he went 1st to 3rd on a sleeping Carlos Lee. He
started the year off slow but now his OBP is .316. Once his average
gets up to the .250 range, that OBP might be .350+. He was on base 3
times the past 2 nights. I think he's getting better.
From: Bob Braun on 30 Apr 2010 14:06

"JustTom" <tom(a)nomail.please> wrote in message
news:4bdac4a1.2934832919(a)newsread.glorb.com...
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:08:04 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>The problem there was Hannigan. Oswalt pitched around him to get to
>>Arroyo.
>>BUT....he threw Hannigan a good clean fastball, belt high on the outer
>>half
>>of the plate.
>>He took it and subsequently walked, bringing Arroyo up. Hannigan must be
>>aware of the situation, Nix at 3rd and the pitcher behind him.
>>
>>Hit that pitch to the right side and get the stinking run home! Don't
>>pass
>>it to the pitcher. That pitch was thrown in area where Hannigan should
>>have
>>been begging for. Big mistake and it shows nowhere in the boxscore.
>>
>
> I still like Hannigan's approach and think we would be better served
> by having his OBP in the 2 hole.
>
> I'd kind of like to see the role of Hanigan and Ramon reversed with
> Ryan getting the majority of the innings until he shows he can't do
> it..

It was only one incident. But this is a thinking man's game. Hanigan has
to be FULLY aware of the situation. He's looking for a particular pitch to
drive to right field to plate that run. He does NOT want to swing at balls
out of the zone, but he also doesn't want to pass that runner to Arroyo.

He got the pitch that he should have been looking for. What was his
mindset? I'm going to take this walk, it's points on the old OBP? At that
level, he should step in the box knowing full well what he has to do.
Letting that ideal pitch go by, tells me otherwise.

Jacoby....Dusty.....someone should have made it clear to him. They didn't
plate the run, but they did win the game. It certainly needed to be a topic
of discussion at some point.

Again, things like this appear nowhere on a stat sheet, but it is a critical
part of winning baseball.


From: JustTom on 30 Apr 2010 15:23
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:43:27 -0400, David Short
<David.No.Short.(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>
>My suspicion is that Hannigan's OBP would vanish once he's moved out of
>the #8 hole. He's being "protected" by the pitcher.
>

Probably, and he'd likely come crashing back down to earth if he were
the primary catcher.

But I've seen enough to let him give it a go. We have a bunch of 8
hole hitters that could use that protection. Picking the best of a
bad bunch, may as well let the high OBP/low power guy get on base
ahead of Votto, Bruce, and Rolen.

And if he does come crashing back down, haven't really lost anything
as he seems to me to be the head and shoulders better defensive
catcher.



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