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From: Jeff D. on 13 Apr 2010 14:21 "Alfred" <behyndblueeyes(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:08a915e9-3cee-4ded-8676-11c3d16bdf0f(a)11g2000yqr.googlegroups.com... On Apr 12, 9:40 pm, Mark Sieving <Mark.Siev...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:06:45 -0400, mercutio <jim013...(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >A major upgrade no matter how you look at it > > Career OBP > Pierre .347 > Podsednik .341 > > Career OPS > Pierre .718 > Podsednik .721 > > Career SB% > Pierre 74.8% > Podsednik 75.6% > > Career Fielding Percentage > Pierre .990 > Podsednik .985 > > Pretty similar overall. Thank you Mark. I had also done the math on stolen base percentage and you are very correct. Interestingly Podsednik vs. Pierre lifetime in: SLG PCT. .382 v. .371 Annual salary $1,650,000 v. $7,000,000 I wouldn't consider the significant difference in both salaries as justifiable. Pods also led us White Sox fans out from the wilderness of a never- ending (it seems) World Series drought - it would never have happened without him. He can also surprise fans with long ball potential - but that's not normally his 'game'. Lastly, Podsednik has always played with a lot of heart and team spirit. All that I can hope for is that Pierre exhibits the same degree of dedication and loyalty, which makes me wonder why Pierre played only one year with the Cubs. From what I remember the Cub nation ran him outta town, not as bad as Milton Bradley but along those lines. One difference between Pods and Pierre is how they play balls over their head, for instance the 9thi inninng Thome hit to left. Pods would have back peddled and then been out of position to throw as the ball went over his head and he froze at the wall, Pierre picked a one-hop off the wall and made a good relay. That type of instinct doesn't show up in the stat column. I'd take Pierre, better bunter, better base runner, better base stealer, better fielder, better baseball instincts. I'm not short-changing what Pods did in 05 or even last year, but I still prefer Pierre, give him some time to relax and get over the "I gotta produce syndrome" and just relax and play to his ability.
From: mercutio on 13 Apr 2010 17:40 On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:40:34 -0500, Mark Sieving <Mark.Sieving(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:06:45 -0400, mercutio <jim013152(a)yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>A major upgrade no matter how you look at it > >Career OBP >Pierre .347 >Podsednik .341 > >Career OPS >Pierre .718 >Podsednik .721 > >Career SB% >Pierre 74.8% >Podsednik 75.6% > >Career Fielding Percentage >Pierre .990 >Podsednik .985 > >Pretty similar overall. You forgot that Pods has struck out about 200 times more than Pierre in 1 less year. They both average about 3 errors a year but iI would be willing to bet Pierre gets to alot more balls. Pods couldn't go back on a ball to save his soul 9altho he was pretty good at coming in on them Still a major upgrade Jim
From: mercutio on 13 Apr 2010 18:46 > >From what I remember the Cub nation ran him outta town, not as bad as Milton >Bradley but along those lines. One difference between Pods and Pierre is how >they play balls over their head, for instance the 9thi inninng Thome hit to >left. Pods would have back peddled and then been out of position to throw as >the ball went over his head and he froze at the wall, Pierre picked a >one-hop off the wall and made a good relay. That type of instinct doesn't >show up in the stat column. I'd take Pierre, better bunter, better base >runner, better base stealer, better fielder, better baseball instincts. I'm >not short-changing what Pods did in 05 or even last year, but I still prefer >Pierre, give him some time to relax and get over the "I gotta produce >syndrome" and just relax and play to his ability. At last a voice of reason, I couldn't agree more Jim >
From: Mark Sieving on 13 Apr 2010 20:33 On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:40:54 -0400, mercutio <jim013152(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >You forgot that Pods has struck out about 200 times more than Pierre >in 1 less year. They both average about 3 errors a year but iI would >be willing to bet Pierre gets to alot more balls. Strikeouts are outs, but they're not particularly more significant than any other out. I don't know how valid Baseball Reference's defensive stats are, but they rate Podsednik's range better than Pierre's. And Pierre can't throw worth a damn.
From: Jeff D. on 13 Apr 2010 21:32
"Mark Sieving" <Mark.Sieving(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:2o2as5tfoc0mikv45bn4nc1ktn80dsji1k(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:40:54 -0400, mercutio <jim013152(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>You forgot that Pods has struck out about 200 times more than Pierre >>in 1 less year. They both average about 3 errors a year but iI would >>be willing to bet Pierre gets to alot more balls. > > Strikeouts are outs, but they're not particularly more significant > than any other out. I don't know how valid Baseball Reference's > defensive stats are, but they rate Podsednik's range better than > Pierre's. And Pierre can't throw worth a damn. Maybe the best way to evaluate these two lefty leadoff men will be during the first week in May when they go head-head |