From: john smith on 29 Apr 2010 23:46
From: Bob Braun on 29 Apr 2010 23:59
"John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:06:47 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne <dunnetg(a)gmail.com>
>>On Apr 29, 10:55 pm, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
>>> Hey Tom, remember Gorman Thomas? He had some prime years similar to
>>> Jackson and Dunn and almost won a World series in 82...
>>Yep, he's pretty comparable too, except that Dunn walks a lot more.
>>Thomas could play CF, though, so he was probably more valuable than
>>Dunn in his prime years.
> I read in a magazine years ago that a woman showed up at a Brewers' game
> with a
> baseball that had been signed by Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Henry Aaron,
> and Joe
> DiMaggio, and asked Gorman Thomas to sign it. He did, and handed it back
> to her
> and told her, "There's no telling what that ball was worth before I signed
That's good stuff! :)
From: tom dunne on 30 Apr 2010 00:18
On Apr 29, 11:41 pm, HTP <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:38 pm, tom dunne <dunn...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 9:59 pm, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
> > > guess Adam Dunn and Reggie Jackson?
> > You got it in one, John! Their career averages are very similar, and
> > Reggie Jackson is actually the all-time strikeout leader in MLB
> > history. He also made the playoffs 11 times, with three different
> > franchises. Jackson shares the all-time strikeout top ten with Willie
> > Stargell, Mike Schmidt and Tony Perez, each one a Hall of Famer and
> > champion. Strikeouts are no fun to watch, but they really just don't
> > mean anything about how good or bad a player is.
> Not to nitpick, but Jackson played on 5 world series winners.
I'll counter your nitpick with a detail! Jackson played for the A's
in 1972, but didn't play against the Reds in '72 Series. His rings
actually bookend the BRM, '73-'74 in Oakland and '77-'78 in NY.
> and yes, i knew it was dunn and jackson
They sound like a country group. I figured it was a comparison most
folks here would get.
From: John Kasupski on 30 Apr 2010 00:37
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:12:58 -0700, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
>Hey John K. Sorry I brought this up but does just the utterance of the
>name Dunn drive you into a frenzy?
No. That honor is reserved for Brandon Larson. But the way some Reds fans act,
as if Dunn was the second coming of, I dunno, Frank Robinson or Ted Kluszewski
or somebody like that who was one of the all-time great Reds, does come close.
From: John Kasupski on 30 Apr 2010 01:16
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:23:48 -0700 (PDT), tom dunne <dunnetg(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>You mention a lot of other stuff about Dunn in this post. I really
>wasn't referring to any of that. I'm just saying that having high
>strikeout guys in the middle of your order doesn't mean much,
>especially if they're also high OPS guys.
Well, .in my first post, where admittedly I did say more about his Ks than
anything else, people had been commenting on Dunn deal from the standpoint of
economics. And in that sense, I still maintain that too many Ks in the middle of
the lineup will kill you if you don't have other guys in the lineup who can also
drive in runs. The guys hitting 3-4-5 in the lineup are supposed to drive in
runs. Walking doesn't do that unless the bases are already full. It may produce
RBI opportunities for the guys hitting behind him - but who did the Reds have
hitting behind Dunn that they could count on to drive in runs? I mentioned the
Phillies...Ryan Howard strikes out a lot too. The difference is, they have a lot
of other guys in that lineup - Utley, Ibanez, Werth all had 90+ ribbies. That's
what's nice about having a $132 million payroll...and that, in turn, is why the
Reds can't have that and expect to contend.
Then when you bring all the other stuff I mentioned in my second post, I think
it becomes a no-brainer. If I'm a GM there's no way I'm paying a guy $11 million
to strike out 190 times, show up my field manager in the press like he did to
Miley, and turn every ball he touches on defense into a highlight reel for the
MoSCoW prioritization technique (Must, Should, Could, and Won't).