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From: Stewart on 16 Dec 2009 18:58
On 12/15/2009 8:57 AM, jonathan wrote:
>>
>> 1st baseman are LH. It works using Jacobs to hit RH pitchers and Murph
>
> The advantage to a LH first baseman has to do with throwing the ball
> across the diamond. Both Murphy and Jacobs throw RH. Again, both hit
> LH so as a platoon it doesn't make much sense.

Yeah, but if you don't catch it first, you can't throw it.


>
>> hitting the Left handed pitchers plus an occasional RH as the numbers
>
> But neither guy can actually hit LH pitching. Murphy is bad, and
> Jacobs is atrocious.
>
>> dictate. By platooning your hopefully covering up the weak points of
>> players using a judicious platoon. Unlike Francour, Jacobs actually has
>
> But again, neither guy can hit LH pitching, so you still only have one
> half of a platoon.
>
>> actually power averaging a long ball every 19.3HR per at bat. His use as
>
> Well that's nice, but unfortunately he can't make contact or get on
> base. Also, his career SLG is .476, and consider he's 29, which means
> that he's at the tail end of his theoretical 'prime'. The more I look
> at it, the more Kingman-esque this becomes. Jacobs is .254/.313/.476
> career and Kingman was .236/.302/.478. Kingman gets about a 10% edge
> in OPS+ because he played in a more pitching-dominated era, but the
> case could be made these are very similar players.
>
> If the Mets were the Boston Red Sox and had a lineup full of guys who
> get on base, then that's one thing. But there are already too many
> guys in this lineup who can't get on base for another out machine on
> the roster.
>
>> a catcher would be emergency only, and he could do that for a few
>> innings, and would eliminate the need for that 3rd empty roster spot on
>> the 40 man and on the bench. Most importantly, I see perhaps his best
>> roll as a PH with thunder off the bench, and since he was released, he
>> would cost nothing.
>
> I'd rather take a chance on a player with some upside.
>
>>
>> FWIW - he averages 3.83 pitches per PA, which isn't that bad, and his
>> liefetime OPS+ versus RH pitchers is 110 and he's in his prime. Where
>> Jacobs gets really here is when he's behind in the count. Look at his
>
> Half the guys in baseball can't hit behind in the count. That's why
> strike one is so important. I doubt he's suddenly going to figure it
> out at 29. I realize you're still pissed because they traded him for
> Delgado in the first place. You had Jacobs pegged for superstardom
> and you still think he can be. I think he's a freeswinging DH for a
> bad team. If the Royals don't even want to pay him, what should that
> tell you? The Royals will pay Willie Bloomquist, but they don't think
> Jacobs has value.
>
>> numbers when he is ahead in the count, and compare them to other
>> players. But he is useless even after an 0-1 count.
>>
>> Ruben
>

From: Ruben Safir on 16 Dec 2009 22:21
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:02:37 -0800, Stewart wrote:


> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14 years
> behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after that.
>
>
> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml

Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.
Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
away, and never adjusting.

Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!

Yah!

Ruben
From: Stewart on 17 Dec 2009 14:20
On 12/16/2009 7:21 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:02:37 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>
>
>> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
>> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14 years
>> behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after that.
>>
>>
>> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
>
> Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
> sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.

IMO, while getting on base is needed, his job was turning opportunities
(men on base)into runs. For this, he had 2 good years and 1 so-so year.


> Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
> away, and never adjusting.
>
> Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!

Yeah, that is a decent site.

>
> Yah!
>
> Ruben

From: Ruben Safir on 17 Dec 2009 15:35
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:20:52 -0800, Stewart wrote:

> On 12/16/2009 7:21 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:02:37 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>>
>>
>>> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
>>> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14
>>> years behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
>>
>> Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
>> sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.
>
> IMO, while getting on base is needed, his job was turning opportunities
> (men on base)into runs. For this, he had 2 good years and 1 so-so year.
>

No - I was there. He sucked at this and thruth is, RBI's tell you
nothing about a player. In 1986 Dystra, Backman, and Hernadez put so
many runs on base infront of Carter that that Rey Ordonez would have
gotten 100 RBI's. He truly SUCKED, especially from June '86 onward.

>
>> Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
>> away, and never adjusting.
>>
>> Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!
>
> Yeah, that is a decent site.
>


I was joking with you and being cynical. Did you really think that I was
unaware of that website? I have emails going back about 6 years between
me and the development staff on errors in their database of code.
Everyone remotely involved with usenet and baseball is acutely aware of
baseball-reference.


Here is another good website you should look up one day
http://www.google.com

I'll tell you, they are really going to become something one day. There
going to make Yahoo look like baby players since Yahoo is now focusing on
making themselves a portal instead of a search engine.

Ruben
From: Stewart on 18 Dec 2009 11:28
On 12/17/2009 12:35 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:20:52 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2009 7:21 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:02:37 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year
>>>> (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14
>>>> years behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
>>>
>>> Actually - he had one and a 3rd good seasons and then sucked....really
>>> sucked unless you thing an OBP less that .300 is in any way good.
>>
>> IMO, while getting on base is needed, his job was turning opportunities
>> (men on base)into runs. For this, he had 2 good years and 1 so-so year.
>>
>
> No - I was there. He sucked at this and thruth is, RBI's tell you
> nothing about a player.

If you know the percent of opportunities that were successful, it would
be more meaningful. If player A has 80 RBI and converted 20% of his
opportunities and player B has 120 RBI but only converted 12% of his
opportunities, player A was more successful. Not sure if this stat is
actually tracked (BA with RISP is close, but it may not be 100% reliable).

> In 1986 Dystra, Backman, and Hernadez put so
> many runs on base infront of Carter that that Rey Ordonez would have
> gotten 100 RBI's. He truly SUCKED, especially from June '86 onward.

Again, opportunities converted.

>
>>
>>> Meanwhile he was choking up the 4 spot in the batting order, flaying
>>> away, and never adjusting.
>>>
>>> Thanks for that link. I never saw that website before!
>>
>> Yeah, that is a decent site.
>>
>
>
> I was joking with you and being cynical. Did you really think that I was
> unaware of that website?
> I have emails going back about 6 years between
> me and the development staff on errors in their database of code.
> Everyone remotely involved with usenet and baseball is acutely aware of
> baseball-reference.

And how am I supposed to know that you knew of it? Read your mind?
Maybe do a Google search to review you past 6 years of postings?

>
>
> Here is another good website you should look up one day
> http://www.google.com
>

I already know of that site. Do you really think I was unaware of it,
considering my email is from google.com, and I have at least 8 years of
emails from that address? Anyone involved in usenet and the web is
acutely aware of Google.

> I'll tell you, they are really going to become something one day. There
> going to make Yahoo look like baby players since Yahoo is now focusing on
> making themselves a portal instead of a search engine.

One day? Currently would be the proper description.

>
> Ruben

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