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From: jonathan on 16 Dec 2009 15:56 On Dec 16, 3:48 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:23:17 -0800, Stewart wrote: > > OR Gary Carter. He had to have more holes in his swing than anyone > > ever. > > >> Ruben > > > Yes, just enough holes for the HOF. > > Not when he was with the Mets. He sucked. He put his arms way out over > the plate. standing erect like a statue, in the worse hitting position > I'd ever seen, forcing the longest back swing I'd ever witnessed, and > never made any adjustments, just begging the pitching to throw heat > inside. He was the complete opposite of John Orelrud and Rusty Staub who > were in complete hitting position as soon as the got into the batters > box, arms cocked in a very powerful but economical swing. > > BTW - I would not have voted for Cater to be in the HoF. > > Ruben > > Ruben Olerud had the single slowest clocked bat speed nearly every season of any player on the Blue Jays roster while he was there. Mark Grace also had a very slow bat. It's amazing what a short swing can do to a slow bat.
From: Ruben Safir on 16 Dec 2009 16:16 On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:56:08 -0800, jonathan wrote: > Olerud had the single slowest clocked bat speed nearly every season of > any player on the Blue Jays roster while he was there. Mark Grace also > had a very slow bat. It's amazing what a short swing can do to a slow > bat. Don't know where you read that but that didn't prevent him from slugging .465 lifetime and hitting 255 lifetime HR's. And Toronto had a big park when he hit 54 doubles and 24 HRs. One of things I immediately noticed which I saw Carlos Beltran and Keyspan Park on his rehab is that there is a world of difference between Beltran's bat speed and the rest of the Class A ballplayers. Beltran has monumental bat speed. Ruben
From: Ruben Safir on 16 Dec 2009 16:18 On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:16:52 +0000, Ruben Safir wrote: One of things I immediately noticed when I saw Carlos Beltran at Keyspan Park on his rehab is that there is a world of difference between Beltran's bat speed and the rest of the Class A ballplayers. Beltran has monumental bat speed.
From: jonathan on 16 Dec 2009 16:48 On Dec 16, 4:16 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...(a)mrbrklyn.com> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:56:08 -0800, jonathan wrote: > > Olerud had the single slowest clocked bat speed nearly every season of > > any player on the Blue Jays roster while he was there. Mark Grace also > > had a very slow bat. It's amazing what a short swing can do to a slow > > bat. > > Don't know where you read that but that didn't prevent him from > slugging .465 lifetime and hitting 255 lifetime HR's. And Toronto had a > big park when he hit 54 doubles and 24 HRs. > > One of things I immediately noticed which I saw Carlos Beltran and > Keyspan Park on his rehab is that there is a world of difference between > Beltran's bat speed and the rest of the Class A ballplayers. Beltran has > monumental bat speed. > > Ruben A friend of mine who used to pitch in the Rangers organization was telling me about it. Basically we were talking about how bat speed is overrated against a short swing. Olerud was really good. That was my point. A lot of people think bat speed tells the whole story but it really doesn't.
From: Stewart on 16 Dec 2009 17:02
On 12/16/2009 12:48 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:23:17 -0800, Stewart wrote: > >> OR Gary Carter. He had to have more holes in his swing than anyone >> ever. >>> >>> Ruben >> >> Yes, just enough holes for the HOF. > > > > Not when he was with the Mets. He sucked. He put his arms way out over > the plate. standing erect like a statue, in the worse hitting position > I'd ever seen, forcing the longest back swing I'd ever witnessed, and > never made any adjustments, just begging the pitching to throw heat > inside. He was the complete opposite of John Orelrud and Rusty Staub who > were in complete hitting position as soon as the got into the batters > box, arms cocked in a very powerful but economical swing. > > > BTW - I would not have voted for Cater to be in the HoF. > > Ruben > > Ruben He actually had two good years for the Mets and one so-so year (considering the position he was playing) from '85-'87. After 14 years behind the plate, he wasn't much for the 5 years he played after that. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml |