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From: jonathan on 16 Dec 2009 10:46
> As for the Kingman analogy, Kingman had some damn good years in Chicago.
> It was on the Mets, especially the second time around, that he went down
> the tubes. A guy like Jacobs generally continue to produce late into
> their prime, and I wouldn't be surprised for a minute to see him put up a
> 125 OPS for a couple of seasons, if he is happy, handled correctly
> (Platooned) and motivated to cut down on his swing.
Do you know that he is unhappy playing in Kansas City? Have you had a
heart-to-heart with Mike Jacobs recently? Believe me, I've had the
opportunity to sit down with Trey Hillman and have a conversation, and
from what I can tell of Jerry Manuel, I'd be much happier playing for
Hillman then Manuel. Kansas City seems to be a nice place with a
beautiful stadium. I'm not saying playing there is better then
playing in NY, but when you consider the Mets aren't exactly the model
organization in baseball, I don't see why Jacobs is so unhappy.
I think you underestimate how difficult a swing change is. I recently
saw this guy speak:
Getting a major league hitter to 'cut down his swing' is really
difficult. This is how we condition hitters to think. I'm not saying
it's right, and there's a movement to go back to the idea of hitting
linedrives, but Jacobs is a prototype for the kind of hitter we've
been producing in this country that values hitting the longball over
actually hitting the ball. I will bet you Jacobs never sniffs a 125
OPS+. He's never done it in a platoon split.
> ORRR - he might be another Preston Wilson..which I think is a better
> analogy. Its not that he hits worse behind in the count, even Piazza was
> like a 20 OPS+ with an 0-2 count. He doesn't hit at ALL behind in the
> count and he gets behind in the count often. The pitchers widen the
Again, that's something that's very hard to fix in a 29 year old major
> strike zone and he goes fishing. This is partly a lack of confidence, I
> believe (please don't ask me how I know that, or if I've had a analytical
> session with him :) ). It just seems some sluggers hit a confident
> stride in their late twenties and early thirties.
> But most importantly, he is likely better than what they got, he's cheap
> because he's been released and KC is paying him, and he is short term.
> As for KC releasing him, that has more to do with their budget and
> prospects that Jacobs...although he had a lousy season.
From: Stewart on 16 Dec 2009 14:23
On 12/15/2009 7:20 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:40:34 -0800, Stewart wrote:
>> On 12/12/2009 6:53 PM, Ruben wrote:
>>> If the Mets need some thunder off the bech and a platoon for Murph (not
>>> to mention a 3 back up catcher), the Royals released Jacobs.
>> The guy has more holes in his swing than the Carter has liver pills.
> OR Gary Carter. He had to have more holes in his swing than anyone ever.
Yes, just enough holes for the HOF.
From: Ruben Safir on 16 Dec 2009 15:39
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:39:28 -0800, jonathan wrote:
> The glove is actually secondary to the ability to throw back across the
> diamond without turning your body. The LH first baseman can almost
> eliminate the bunt as an offensive weapon. It also makes the 3-6-3 DP a
> far easier play.
No way. Either way you throw you have to pivot and throw, and you always
throw across your body, or over hand if your stupid. And on the bunt you
have to turn around for the 3-6-3 double play. The critical difference
is that you don't have to literally spin around backwards to play a
grounder in the hole...you just reach or lurch..to your right on a
scorcher up the middle. BTW - this gives me some thoughts about catching
with a glove in general and human ability. Its weird how we can adapt to
catching with the wrong hand, but he have to throw with the dominant hand.
We seemed to be programmed be evolution to catch with our non-dominant
hand, although as is common with lefthanders I also catch like a right
hander, catching with my dominant hand and throwing woth my weak hand.
From: Ruben Safir on 16 Dec 2009 15:40
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:46:57 -0800, jonathan wrote:
> Do you know that he is unhappy playing in Kansas City? Have you had a
> heart-to-heart with Mike Jacobs recently?
Yes I did and he said KC sucks...No Beer. No Women...no Baseball Fans.
From: Ruben Safir on 16 Dec 2009 15:48
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:23:17 -0800, Stewart wrote:
> OR Gary Carter. He had to have more holes in his swing than anyone
> Yes, just enough holes for the HOF.
Not when he was with the Mets. He sucked. He put his arms way out over
the plate. standing erect like a statue, in the worse hitting position
I'd ever seen, forcing the longest back swing I'd ever witnessed, and
never made any adjustments, just begging the pitching to throw heat
inside. He was the complete opposite of John Orelrud and Rusty Staub who
were in complete hitting position as soon as the got into the batters
box, arms cocked in a very powerful but economical swing.
BTW - I would not have voted for Cater to be in the HoF.