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From: Jon Rossen on 15 Jun 2010 02:01
I cannot stand the orange alternate unis...and btw...I thought they were
only going to be wearing them on Friday home games. Having the Orioles
wear theirs (black tops)on the same night made the event look like a
company softball game.

Let me be real clear: I hate all alternate unis that clubs wear. It's
not a matter of what color the jersey is...that's basically a function
of whatever the team's color is/colors are (each team has either 1 or 2
colors). This is something that a lot of people get sidetracked
on....commenting on the specific color that the jersey is. The specific
color is not the main point and is more of a secondary point; the main
point IMHO, is the break from the traditional look where the pants and
jersey match (white at home / gray on the road) it just looks tacky and
not like the major leagues.

Of course this is really superficial and not really a big deal. <g>
What's really sort of ridiculous is how some teams do this. For
instance, I seem to recall that when the Astros moved to their new
ballpark they had posted on their website what appeared to be a
'wardrobe schedule' about which uniform they'd wear when. Of course
there were the home and away unis. But within those two major groupings
there were a whole slew of variations depending on whether it was a day
or night game, weekday or weekend game....sheesh.

-jon rossen
From: John Walsh on 15 Jun 2010 02:27
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:01:48 -0700, Jon Rossen <jonr17(a)comcast.net>
wrote:

>I cannot stand the orange alternate unis...and btw...I thought they were
>only going to be wearing them on Friday home games. Having the Orioles
>wear theirs (black tops)on the same night made the event look like a
>company softball game.
>
>Let me be real clear: I hate all alternate unis that clubs wear. It's
>not a matter of what color the jersey is...that's basically a function
>of whatever the team's color is/colors are (each team has either 1 or 2
>colors). This is something that a lot of people get sidetracked
>on....commenting on the specific color that the jersey is. The specific
>color is not the main point and is more of a secondary point; the main
>point IMHO, is the break from the traditional look where the pants and
>jersey match (white at home / gray on the road) it just looks tacky and
>not like the major leagues.
>
>Of course this is really superficial and not really a big deal. <g>
>What's really sort of ridiculous is how some teams do this. For
>instance, I seem to recall that when the Astros moved to their new
>ballpark they had posted on their website what appeared to be a
>'wardrobe schedule' about which uniform they'd wear when. Of course
>there were the home and away unis. But within those two major groupings
>there were a whole slew of variations depending on whether it was a day
>or night game, weekday or weekend game....sheesh.
>
>-jon rossen

The ugly orange uniforms were are part of a "Halloween in June"
promotion. According to Henry, "Can't handle it." So he didn't like
it either. What the heck, I think I'll put the question to him and
see if equates ugly orange uniforms with success. BTW, the Giants
are only a half game behind the Pads.
From: Jon Rossen on 15 Jun 2010 02:53
John Walsh wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:01:48 -0700, Jon Rossen <jonr17(a)comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I cannot stand the orange alternate unis...and btw...I thought they were
>> only going to be wearing them on Friday home games. Having the Orioles
>> wear theirs (black tops)on the same night made the event look like a
>> company softball game.
>>
>> Let me be real clear: I hate all alternate unis that clubs wear. It's
>> not a matter of what color the jersey is...that's basically a function
>> of whatever the team's color is/colors are (each team has either 1 or 2
>> colors). This is something that a lot of people get sidetracked
>> on....commenting on the specific color that the jersey is. The specific
>> color is not the main point and is more of a secondary point; the main
>> point IMHO, is the break from the traditional look where the pants and
>> jersey match (white at home / gray on the road) it just looks tacky and
>> not like the major leagues.
>>
>> Of course this is really superficial and not really a big deal. <g>
>> What's really sort of ridiculous is how some teams do this. For
>> instance, I seem to recall that when the Astros moved to their new
>> ballpark they had posted on their website what appeared to be a
>> 'wardrobe schedule' about which uniform they'd wear when. Of course
>> there were the home and away unis. But within those two major groupings
>> there were a whole slew of variations depending on whether it was a day
>> or night game, weekday or weekend game....sheesh.
>>
>> -jon rossen
>
> The ugly orange uniforms were are part of a "Halloween in June"
> promotion. According to Henry, "Can't handle it." So he didn't like
> it either. What the heck, I think I'll put the question to him and
> see if equates ugly orange uniforms with success. BTW, the Giants
> are only a half game behind the Pads.

Hmmm...that 'Halloween in June' thing is a weird twist on the taunts
some of my Dodger fan friends used to toss at me. They'd always tell me
that the only time you see black and orange in October is at Halloween.
That's OK...I'll be laughing sometime this week at them (hopefully)
when the Celtics win the NBA championship! (oh, please, please, please).

Yeah, I've been following the standings too...I'm not letting the
uniforms distract me. <g>

Keep in mind my point wasn't that the fact that the jerseys are Orange
specifically. My main point is that they strayed from the traditional
uniform look and went to an 'alternate' uniform. I'd have the same
problem with it if the Giant's main team color was blue and the jerseys
were blue or if their main team color was red and the jerseys were red.

On the other hand, having a garish orange as your jersey color is
perhaps a good way to simply 'mock' the entire concept of having
alternate uniforms. Or...if you are going to have a tacky approach to
displaying a uniform, (going non-traditional) you might as well do it
with an 'over the top' color.

-jon rossen
From: John Walsh on 15 Jun 2010 09:55
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:53:25 -0700, Jon Rossen <jonr17(a)comcast.net>
wrote:

>John Walsh wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:01:48 -0700, Jon Rossen <jonr17(a)comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot stand the orange alternate unis...and btw...I thought they were
>>> only going to be wearing them on Friday home games. Having the Orioles
>>> wear theirs (black tops)on the same night made the event look like a
>>> company softball game.
>>>
>>> Let me be real clear: I hate all alternate unis that clubs wear. It's
>>> not a matter of what color the jersey is...that's basically a function
>>> of whatever the team's color is/colors are (each team has either 1 or 2
>>> colors). This is something that a lot of people get sidetracked
>>> on....commenting on the specific color that the jersey is. The specific
>>> color is not the main point and is more of a secondary point; the main
>>> point IMHO, is the break from the traditional look where the pants and
>>> jersey match (white at home / gray on the road) it just looks tacky and
>>> not like the major leagues.
>>>
>>> Of course this is really superficial and not really a big deal. <g>
>>> What's really sort of ridiculous is how some teams do this. For
>>> instance, I seem to recall that when the Astros moved to their new
>>> ballpark they had posted on their website what appeared to be a
>>> 'wardrobe schedule' about which uniform they'd wear when. Of course
>>> there were the home and away unis. But within those two major groupings
>>> there were a whole slew of variations depending on whether it was a day
>>> or night game, weekday or weekend game....sheesh.
>>>
>>> -jon rossen
>>
>> The ugly orange uniforms were are part of a "Halloween in June"
>> promotion. According to Henry, "Can't handle it." So he didn't like
>> it either. What the heck, I think I'll put the question to him and
>> see if equates ugly orange uniforms with success. BTW, the Giants
>> are only a half game behind the Pads.
>
>Hmmm...that 'Halloween in June' thing is a weird twist on the taunts
>some of my Dodger fan friends used to toss at me. They'd always tell me
>that the only time you see black and orange in October is at Halloween.
> That's OK...I'll be laughing sometime this week at them (hopefully)
>when the Celtics win the NBA championship! (oh, please, please, please).
>
>Yeah, I've been following the standings too...I'm not letting the
>uniforms distract me. <g>
>
>Keep in mind my point wasn't that the fact that the jerseys are Orange
>specifically. My main point is that they strayed from the traditional
>uniform look and went to an 'alternate' uniform. I'd have the same
>problem with it if the Giant's main team color was blue and the jerseys
>were blue or if their main team color was red and the jerseys were red.
>
>On the other hand, having a garish orange as your jersey color is
>perhaps a good way to simply 'mock' the entire concept of having
>alternate uniforms. Or...if you are going to have a tacky approach to
>displaying a uniform, (going non-traditional) you might as well do it
>with an 'over the top' color.
>
>-jon rossen

Straying from traditional uniforms is all about marketing and sales.
There is no faithfulness to tradition anymore. It's all about
creating new uniforms to rack up money for MLB.

Even with that garish neon orange, I didn't pay much attention to it
until you mentioned it and I focused more on the uniforms than the
game. They don't look right. With all the designers and analysts
that teams use to create new looks, you think they could have done
better.

Oh the Celtics laid a massive psych jon on the Lakers. LA could still
win it all, but the Celtics have to the advantage now and pretty much
a replay of 2008.
From: Jon Rossen on 15 Jun 2010 11:12
John Walsh wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:53:25 -0700, Jon Rossen <jonr17(a)comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> John Walsh wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:01:48 -0700, Jon Rossen <jonr17(a)comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I cannot stand the orange alternate unis...and btw...I thought they were
>>>> only going to be wearing them on Friday home games. Having the Orioles
>>>> wear theirs (black tops)on the same night made the event look like a
>>>> company softball game.
>>>>
>>>> Let me be real clear: I hate all alternate unis that clubs wear. It's
>>>> not a matter of what color the jersey is...that's basically a function
>>>> of whatever the team's color is/colors are (each team has either 1 or 2
>>>> colors). This is something that a lot of people get sidetracked
>>>> on....commenting on the specific color that the jersey is. The specific
>>>> color is not the main point and is more of a secondary point; the main
>>>> point IMHO, is the break from the traditional look where the pants and
>>>> jersey match (white at home / gray on the road) it just looks tacky and
>>>> not like the major leagues.
>>>>
>>>> Of course this is really superficial and not really a big deal. <g>
>>>> What's really sort of ridiculous is how some teams do this. For
>>>> instance, I seem to recall that when the Astros moved to their new
>>>> ballpark they had posted on their website what appeared to be a
>>>> 'wardrobe schedule' about which uniform they'd wear when. Of course
>>>> there were the home and away unis. But within those two major groupings
>>>> there were a whole slew of variations depending on whether it was a day
>>>> or night game, weekday or weekend game....sheesh.
>>>>
>>>> -jon rossen
>>> The ugly orange uniforms were are part of a "Halloween in June"
>>> promotion. According to Henry, "Can't handle it." So he didn't like
>>> it either. What the heck, I think I'll put the question to him and
>>> see if equates ugly orange uniforms with success. BTW, the Giants
>>> are only a half game behind the Pads.
>> Hmmm...that 'Halloween in June' thing is a weird twist on the taunts
>> some of my Dodger fan friends used to toss at me. They'd always tell me
>> that the only time you see black and orange in October is at Halloween.
>> That's OK...I'll be laughing sometime this week at them (hopefully)
>> when the Celtics win the NBA championship! (oh, please, please, please).
>>
>> Yeah, I've been following the standings too...I'm not letting the
>> uniforms distract me. <g>
>>
>> Keep in mind my point wasn't that the fact that the jerseys are Orange
>> specifically. My main point is that they strayed from the traditional
>> uniform look and went to an 'alternate' uniform. I'd have the same
>> problem with it if the Giant's main team color was blue and the jerseys
>> were blue or if their main team color was red and the jerseys were red.
>>
>> On the other hand, having a garish orange as your jersey color is
>> perhaps a good way to simply 'mock' the entire concept of having
>> alternate uniforms. Or...if you are going to have a tacky approach to
>> displaying a uniform, (going non-traditional) you might as well do it
>> with an 'over the top' color.
>>
>> -jon rossen
>
> Straying from traditional uniforms is all about marketing and sales.
> There is no faithfulness to tradition anymore. It's all about
> creating new uniforms to rack up money for MLB.
>
> Even with that garish neon orange, I didn't pay much attention to it
> until you mentioned it and I focused more on the uniforms than the
> game. They don't look right. With all the designers and analysts
> that teams use to create new looks, you think they could have done
> better.
>
> Oh the Celtics laid a massive psych jon on the Lakers. LA could still
> win it all, but the Celtics have to the advantage now and pretty much
> a replay of 2008.

> Oh the Celtics laid a massive psych jon on the Lakers.

Hey, thanks for the mention!! <g>

I don't see how any design change or designer could 'fix' the garish
colors of the alternate unis. The formula is always the same: create a
new jersey with a solid color out of the main color of the team. The
only other type of alternate jersey the Giants had in the past was the
black top. (since their other color is black) I think they wore that on
Fri. nights at home as well. I seem to recall that it may have been '02
when they went to the WS....but not 100% sure at all.

-jon rossen
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