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From: Mortimer on 22 Jul 2010 13:01 On Jul 21, 4:55 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Why would you say that? I'm honestly curious. I haven't seen him play much > at all...and all I know is his numbers look pretty good and supposedly he's > a decent defensive catcher. But he's also only 27 still. Lowrie? I like > the kid and IF he could ever stay healthy he MIGHT be a good everyday > player...but catchers are in short supply. I can't imagine the Rockies > would make that deal even up. I just think that Lowrie has a higher ceiling then Iannetta. He was once considered one of the top 20 prospects in 2007 by BA (http:// www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2007/265012.html) #5 on the list. But considering the Rockies already have that stud Troy T. at SS, they definitely don't need Lowrie for SS. If you haven't noticed, Shortstops are in short supply too ;)
From: Dano on 22 Jul 2010 13:35 Mortimer wrote: > On Jul 21, 4:55 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Why would you say that? I'm honestly curious. I haven't seen him >> play much at all...and all I know is his numbers look pretty good >> and supposedly he's a decent defensive catcher. But he's also only >> 27 still. Lowrie? I like the kid and IF he could ever stay healthy >> he MIGHT be a good everyday player...but catchers are in short >> supply. I can't imagine the Rockies would make that deal even up. > > I just think that Lowrie has a higher ceiling then Iannetta. He was > once considered one of the top 20 prospects in 2007 by BA (http:// > www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2007/265012.html) > #5 on the list. But considering the Rockies already have that stud > Troy T. at SS, they definitely don't need Lowrie for SS. If you > haven't noticed, Shortstops are in short supply too ;) Sure. But prospects come and go. Some hit...probably more miss. Very tough to call. I'm judging by what they've actually done. Look at some of the names on that list. This was for one year...for one league. Look at the two position players ranked ahead of Jed. Bruce and Fields. Would you call them good players now? We don't even know if Jed can ever play regularly enough to be a starter that can be depended on. I like the kid. But please. I ask again...what do you think is so bad about Iannetta? We all know catchers take longer to develop. I think he looks pretty good. Better than any young catcher I see in our system.
From: Mortimer on 22 Jul 2010 17:33 On Jul 22, 1:35 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Sure. But prospects come and go. Some hit...probably more miss. Very > tough to call. I'm judging by what they've actually done. Look at some of > the names on that list. This was for one year...for one league. Look at > the two position players ranked ahead of Jed. Bruce and Fields. Would you > call them good players now? We don't even know if Jed can ever play > regularly enough to be a starter that can be depended on. I like the kid. > But please. I ask again...what do you think is so bad about Iannetta? We > all know catchers take longer to develop. I think he looks pretty good.. > Better than any young catcher I see in our system. Jay Bruce has been half-decent with the Reds this year, I wouldn't say he's been a complete flop just yet!! I don't know...I just have a gut feeling that Lowrie is a tough kid after the Mononucleosis fight. I don't want too go to far here, but he might be another Lester in the wings(and turn into a tougher competitor after a fight with a disease like Lester and be mentally and psychologically stronger afterwards), and turn into a complete player in 2-3 years time. But Iannetta isn't that bad, I remember reading this report about him back in 2007 from Baseball prospectus. --- Finding more support from scouts of late is Colorado catcher Chris Iannetta, who goes into the season with the starting job after a very good camp. "First time you see him, you just focus on the slow body and he doesn't really light you up, but he really grows on you," said an Arizona-based scout. "I have to give it up to him, he just has a special feel at the plate," he continued. "He recognizes pitches, he knows when to cheat and when to pull off and when to go the other way-- he's just really proved himself." The scout finished with a final comparison to another prominent Colorado rookie. "I think Troy Tulowitzki is the better prospect in the long tern, but I bet Iannetta will have the better year." http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6045
From: Dano on 22 Jul 2010 18:22 Mortimer wrote: > On Jul 22, 1:35 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Sure. But prospects come and go. Some hit...probably more miss. Very >> tough to call. I'm judging by what they've actually done. Look at >> some of the names on that list. This was for one year...for one >> league. Look at the two position players ranked ahead of Jed. Bruce >> and Fields. Would you call them good players now? We don't even know >> if Jed can ever play regularly enough to be a starter that can be >> depended on. I like the kid. But please. I ask again...what do you >> think is so bad about Iannetta? We all know catchers take longer to >> develop. I think he looks pretty good. Better than any young catcher >> I see in our system. > > Jay Bruce has been half-decent with the Reds this year, I wouldn't > say he's been a complete flop just yet!! I don't know...I just have a > gut feeling that Lowrie is a tough kid after the Mononucleosis fight. > I don't want too go to far here, but he might be another Lester in the > wings(and turn into a tougher competitor after a fight with a disease > like Lester and be mentally and psychologically stronger afterwards), > and turn into a complete player in 2-3 years time. But Iannetta isn't > that bad, I remember reading this report about him back in 2007 from > Baseball prospectus. > > --- Finding more support from scouts of late is Colorado catcher Chris > Iannetta, who goes into the season with the starting job after a very > good camp. "First time you see him, you just focus on the slow body > and he doesn't really light you up, but he really grows on you," said > an Arizona-based scout. "I have to give it up to him, he just has a > special feel at the plate," he continued. "He recognizes pitches, he > knows when to cheat and when to pull off and when to go the other > way-- he's just really proved himself." The scout finished with a > final comparison to another prominent Colorado rookie. "I think Troy > Tulowitzki is the better prospect in the long tern, but I bet Iannetta > will have the better year." > http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6045 OK...so you chose a 3 year old assessment...one that sounds fairly favorable towards Iannetta BTW. I'm just going on your quote there, but here's something from now... "Let's think about this for a second. Boston has both Victor Martinez and Jason Varitek on the the disabled list, both of who have a month or more to go before returning to the lineup. The Rockies have Miguel Olivo entrenched as the starter, which makes Chris Iannetta expendable (or so the reasoning goes). "Enter the mind of a Boston FO guy: "Hey, let's see if we can offer Jed Lowrie to the Rockies for Chris Iannetta!" Guy runs to tell people and it works its way up to Theo Epstein. "Brilliant! Lowrie just came off the 60-Day DL, and the Rockies do need a second baseman. They can't win the World Series with a platoon of Barmes, Herrera, and the occasional MelMo." Dan O'Dowd receives a call: "Hey, Lowrie for Iannetta, deal?" A pause. "Nah. Chris is more valuable to us than getting a second baseman. Chris can play third and catcher and eventually first. Besides, I don't like making deals with Boston." "All right, it didn't go just like that, but CDI's versatility outweighs an supposed upgrade at second with Lowrite, who's does little to make anyone wish this deal had been consummated." http://denver.sbnation.com/2010/7/21/1580804/rockies-turn-down-jed-lowrie-chris-iannetta Just trying to look at this from the other side's perspective here. They have a kid with the versatility (apparently) to play corner infield and catch...who shows some very decent power...but is the backup. OK...just looked and whoever wrote this is really pushing it to say he can play third. He has played there exactly twice...total of 10 innings in the bigs. Not at all in the minors...though he was perfect at first handling BOTH his chances for a 1.000 fielding percentage. Sounds like someone trying to increase his value really. Look. It still seems like a good match since Colorado seems to need a second baseman. Both guys seem pretty promising to me...but even if the Red Sox re-sign Victor, we have to expect Tek is just about done, though I wouldn't mind seeing him back in a supporting role for another year either. But the Sox need a catcher still. This kid could be the guy for the future.
From: Gary on 22 Jul 2010 18:50
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:22:37 -0400, "Dano" <janeanddano(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >"Let's think about this for a second. Boston has both Victor Martinez and >Jason Varitek on the the disabled list, both of who have a month or more to >go before returning to the lineup. The Rockies have Miguel Olivo entrenched >as the starter, which makes Chris Iannetta expendable (or so the reasoning >goes). Notr sure how long Tek will be out, but from this week's reports, Martinez is hitting from both sides of the plate and is able to catch. He might be ready next week. |