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From: David Short on 30 Sep 2009 11:19 "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:h9vpcs$5aa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > "David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message >> Please do me a favor and talk about baseball here. I know you're >> multi-faceted, but I'm not. I honestly wasn't sure who Mangini was till I >> read his name in today's paper. > > I just grabbed that name, because it is a current event. The point again, > I don't think today's athlete fears for their job. If the discipline that you are talking about was so valuable, athelets WOULD fear for their job. >They'll just move on to the next stop. Do you think another team will sign >Bradley? Teams always wanted Rogers Hornsby. There have always been players like that. Teddy Ballgame was not loved by the Boston fans till he retired. Gary Templeton played a long, long time. >>>>> Management has little or no control of their players in professional >>>>> sports. Do you think Milton Bradley has FINALLY worn out his last >>>>> welcome? >>>> >>>> I disagree. Management has all the control. They control the PT. They >>>> want >>>> to give the PT to the guys who are the most valuable. It seems your >>>> predjudaces don't agree with what management thinks is valuable. >>> >>> I see very little from upper level sports management that deserves any >>> respect. Common David! Give PT to the guys who are most valuable???? >>> Get real. How does Willy Taveras get on the field? >> >> Because Dusty Baker thinks Willy Terrible's speed is valuable. If Dusty >> Baker thought Bill Hitbehindtherunner would win him some games, Dusty >> would >> get Bill into the game. Instead he decides to play Brandon. >> >> Adam Rosales would do ANYTHING to get on the ballfield. He would hit >> behind >> the runner. He would throw to the right base. He would run out walks and >> sprint around the field when he hits a homer. Nobody WANTS Adam Rosales >> in >> the starting lineup. We would rather have Brandon swings from his heels >> for >> some reason. >> > 'Wanting' to do it is only half the equation. You have to be able to > actually deliver. I never suggested a player should play because of > hustle or false hustle, if he is less talented. But some players are more > trouble than they are actually worth. > > Brandon is a better player. But I seem to recall Brandon being benched > for multiple offenses of not hustling this year. And I think for the most > part, the discipline worked. > > Do you really believe that when Dusty wrote Willy's name on the lineup > card, he did so because he believed that was the BEST option available? Yes. Yes, I do. > I think he did it because he clamored for Taveras to be signed. If he ran > Dickerson out there on a daily basis, he would get a call from upstairs. > "Hey Dusty, tell me again why we are paying Taveras $4MIL." Now he is > suggesting that Willy got Wally Pipped. I think watching somebody else in center every day made him realize that his impression of Willy was wrong and he's finding a face saving way to back peddle. I'm encouraged by that. Too many reds teams would do exactly what you suggest and keep running him out there based on price tag instead of admiting they made a mistake. I believe that was a sea change with Jocketty. He's was willing to eat contracts and release players that couldn't help him that the previous administration had signed and the reds had NEVER done that. I'm still not convinced that he'll do that with one of his own contracts, but I'm not rulling it out. dfs
From: Bob Braun on 30 Sep 2009 11:29 "David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message news:h9vsq4$e5d$1(a)posting.glorb.com... > "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:h9vpcs$5aa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> "David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message >>> Please do me a favor and talk about baseball here. I know you're >>> multi-faceted, but I'm not. I honestly wasn't sure who Mangini was till >>> I >>> read his name in today's paper. >> >> I just grabbed that name, because it is a current event. The point >> again, >> I don't think today's athlete fears for their job. > > If the discipline that you are talking about was so valuable, athelets > WOULD > fear for their job. If the discipline existed. That's the point. You can't be a disciplinarian, because the agents will tell you, "We are not allowing our clients to sign there." They will just go elsewhere. The inmates run the asylum.
From: Kevin McClave on 30 Sep 2009 14:45 On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:29:16 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >"David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message >news:h9vsq4$e5d$1(a)posting.glorb.com... >> "Bob Braun" <oxinfla(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:h9vpcs$5aa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> "David Short" <David.No.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message >>>> Please do me a favor and talk about baseball here. I know you're >>>> multi-faceted, but I'm not. I honestly wasn't sure who Mangini was till >>>> I >>>> read his name in today's paper. >>> >>> I just grabbed that name, because it is a current event. The point >>> again, >>> I don't think today's athlete fears for their job. >> >> If the discipline that you are talking about was so valuable, athelets >> WOULD >> fear for their job. > >If the discipline existed. That's the point. You can't be a >disciplinarian, because the agents will tell you, "We are not allowing our >clients to sign there." They will just go elsewhere. > >The inmates run the asylum. They said that about Coughlin when he first got to NY. They were wrong. Or at least the players who didn't want to sign there didn't seem to hurt them much. ********************************************************************* Kevin McClave "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." ~Robert F. Kennedy *********************************************************************
From: Ron Johnson on 30 Sep 2009 15:25 On Sep 30, 2:45 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl...(a)SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:29:16 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >"David Short" <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message > >news:h9vsq4$e5d$1(a)posting.glorb.com... > >> "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:h9vpcs$5aa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >>> "David Short" <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message > >>>> Please do me a favor and talk about baseball here. I know you're > >>>> multi-faceted, but I'm not. I honestly wasn't sure who Mangini was till > >>>> I > >>>> read his name in today's paper. > > >>> I just grabbed that name, because it is a current event. The point > >>> again, > >>> I don't think today's athlete fears for their job. > > >> If the discipline that you are talking about was so valuable, athelets > >> WOULD > >> fear for their job. > > >If the discipline existed. That's the point. You can't be a > >disciplinarian, because the agents will tell you, "We are not allowing our > >clients to sign there." They will just go elsewhere. > > >The inmates run the asylum. > > They said that about Coughlin when he first got to NY. They were wrong. > Or at least the players who didn't want to sign there didn't seem to > hurt them much. Similarly Vince Lombardi. The thing that made Lombardi's teams successful wasn't the discipline it, was the mastery of his craft. John Madden said he went to a seminar run by Lombardi and he spent 6 hours talking about every detail of executing the power sweep.
From: Bob Braun on 30 Sep 2009 15:59
"Ron Johnson" <johnson(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote in message news:2a549529-d139-4858-a7fd-488478899fe8(a)y36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... On Sep 30, 2:45 pm, Kevin McClave <kmccl...(a)SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:29:16 -0400, "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >"David Short" <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message > >news:h9vsq4$e5d$1(a)posting.glorb.com... > >> "Bob Braun" <oxin...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:h9vpcs$5aa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >>> "David Short" <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote in message > >>>> Please do me a favor and talk about baseball here. I know you're > >>>> multi-faceted, but I'm not. I honestly wasn't sure who Mangini was > >>>> till > >>>> I > >>>> read his name in today's paper. > > >>> I just grabbed that name, because it is a current event. The point > >>> again, > >>> I don't think today's athlete fears for their job. > > >> If the discipline that you are talking about was so valuable, athelets > >> WOULD > >> fear for their job. > > >If the discipline existed. That's the point. You can't be a > >disciplinarian, because the agents will tell you, "We are not allowing > >our > >clients to sign there." They will just go elsewhere. > > >The inmates run the asylum. > > They said that about Coughlin when he first got to NY. They were wrong. > Or at least the players who didn't want to sign there didn't seem to > hurt them much. Similarly Vince Lombardi. The thing that made Lombardi's teams successful wasn't the discipline it, was the mastery of his craft. John Madden said he went to a seminar run by Lombardi and he spent 6 hours talking about every detail of executing the power sweep. ******************************* Again, how do you get attention to detail? Shined boots......creases in sheets.........discipline! Lombardi had discipline. Paul Brown had discipline. Players were afraid of these guys. I'm not saying it has to be that extreme. The NBA is the absolute worst! Those guys treat head coaches like substitute teachers. Phil Jackson even got frustrated and walked away. I think he came back with a 'Kobe will subject himself to my control' clause somewhere. |