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From: Bob Braun on 29 Sep 2009 16:45 "David Short" <David.no.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote in message news:h9tpqi$9uf$1(a)posting.glorb.com... > Bob Braun wrote: >> "David Short" <David.no.Short(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote in message >>>> Look at the poor play on the field. >>> Help me out. >> Can't hit a cut off man. Guys refuse to hit behind runners. Everybody >> swinging from the heels. BLATANT errors glossed over by official >> scorers. Yeah, I know, official scorers have been serving home cookin' >> for years. NOT anywhere near this magnitude. > > I don't know if there are more unscored blatant errors than there used to > be. One of the problems of growing up watching the BRM was that everybody > looks like pikers for the rest of your life. The numbers seem to imply > that fielding has been getting better since the civil war. I've never seen it nearly as bad as this year. They are trying to elevate their product for an assortment of reasons. > Everybody swinging from the heels is a difference, but I have to believe > that if it wasn't creating more runs, managers wouldn't put up with it. > Same thing with runners refusing to hit behind runners. If a manager WANTS > players that do those things, they would put more of them on the rosters, > guys would notice and we would see it everyplace. They don't have to listen to their managers. They can get their managers canned, or some other owner will scoop them up if a team dumps them. Look at Mangini in Cleveland. He is trying to instill discipline. He has five grievances filed against him this week, and agents are warning, we won't let our players sign to play for Mangini. Management has little or no control of their players in professional sports. Do you think Milton Bradley has FINALLY worn out his last welcome? >> You can't just look at LA, Boston, New York and Chicago and call the game >> healthy. You must also consider Miami, Kansas City, Cincinnati, >> Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Washington, Oakland, Toronto etc. I wish they had >> to report actual turnstile count. > > Again. There have been "franchises in trouble" for the history of the > sport. The list is growing. >> What do the 20 somethings think about baseball? I have every single >> televised baseball game in my bar. I don't get many requests for a >> particular game, and when I do, it's NEVER a 20 something. > > You got me there. I do have to agree. Nobody younger than me cares about > baseball. All the good folks older than myself got turned off by the > strike. If Judge Sonia Sotomayor had kept her nose out of it, the sport could have been much better for it. Now she can have MUCH MORE impact on your life with her horrible decisions. That's another story.
From: HTP on 29 Sep 2009 16:50 On Sep 29, 1:15 pm, David Short <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote: > Bob Braun wrote: > > "David Short" <David.no.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote in message > >>> Look at the poor play on the field. > >> Help me out. > > Can't hit a cut off man. Guys refuse to hit behind runners. Everybody > > swinging from the heels. BLATANT errors glossed over by official scorers. > > Yeah, I know, official scorers have been serving home cookin' for years.. > > NOT anywhere near this magnitude. > > I don't know if there are more unscored blatant errors than there used > to be. One of the problems of growing up watching the BRM was that > everybody looks like pikers for the rest of your life. The numbers seem > to imply that fielding has been getting better since the civil war. > > Everybody swinging from the heels is a difference, but I have to believe > that if it wasn't creating more runs, managers wouldn't put up with it. > Same thing with runners refusing to hit behind runners. If a manager > WANTS players that do those things, they would put more of them on the > rosters, guys would notice and we would see it everyplace. I've been reading books, interviews, and quotes from players for years and a general thread is the contempt for which that player has for succeeding generations of ballplayers. This goes back to Ty Cobb blasting Babe Ruth for the general decline in proper gameplay in the 20's (from his autobiography, written in the 50's/60's). Everybody thinks that the style of game they played (or remember from thier youth) is the optimum. > > > You can't just look at LA, Boston, New York and Chicago and call the game > > healthy. You must also consider Miami, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Cleveland, > > Pittsburgh, Washington, Oakland, Toronto etc. I wish they had to report > > actual turnstile count. > > Again. There have been "franchises in trouble" for the history of the > sport. > > > What do the 20 somethings think about baseball? I have every single > > televised baseball game in my bar. I don't get many requests for a > > particular game, and when I do, it's NEVER a 20 something. > > You got me there. I do have to agree. Nobody younger than me cares about > baseball. All the good folks older than myself got turned off by the > strike. > I probably followed baseball less in my 20's than in my teens or 30's. I was too busy in college, working 2 jobs, or trying to have a social life (i.e., meeting girls). On top of that, i didnt have the disposable income i do now, so attending regularly was problematic. 20-somethings and below dont buy season tickets. They are also far less likely to buy the good seats, bring consumer-aged children to the park, or drop $100 on food and junk in a visit. Revenue comes from the over-30 people. But this doesnt mean that baseball is screwed. Young casual fans will pay more attention when thier life becomes more settled. People have been predicting the demise of the game for decades. Yet it continues to flourish despite far more competition for leisure dollars. Nothing to worry about.
From: john smith on 29 Sep 2009 17:15 People today don't go to baseball games to watch good baseball. Heck, they wouldn't know good baseball if it smacked them in the head. These people go to games for a social event. They shop in the mall that the baseball stadium has become. They show their ignorance every time a pitcher steps off the mound and yell balk. They look at the short stop and second basemen with runners on base and see them talking behind their gloves and think they are gossiping. They think homeruns and fireworks make for a well played game. These people would never see a missed cut off man, a failure to cover a base,or any other missed fundamental. The ignorant fan looks at these guys wearing chains and earrings and think they are cool fashion stars. They think guys pitching to ERAS over 4 are good pitchers. The fans of today couldn't dissect an ugly swing from a sweet swing. They pay 50 dollars for a jersey of some guy on steroids and wear it proudly. They love these chest thumping narcissistic out of touch ballplayers. They wouldn't know the meaning of respect or class. The ignoramuses sit there and chat on their cell phones nonsense. They text message meaningless inane comments back and forth. They twitter about their last trip to the bathroom. Baseball today far cry from yesterday.......
From: john smith on 29 Sep 2009 17:29 Baseball and its future is open for debate. But years ago baseball used to be the only game in town. Kids growing up used to play the game in little league or on the street corner. Everybody played from the athletic kid to the nerd. They played everyday from dawn till dusk. Most kids today play other sports, if they play at all. Most kids today walk around with cell phones talking or texting nonsense. If they play anything today it's video games not sports or baseball.... Years ago you could identify with your team because the players usually stuck with their team for their whole career. They weren't making zillions of dollars. Heck, most players had off season jobs. They played the game well fundamentally. Selfish players were looked at with scorn not admiration. Today the world is upside down where the irresponsible are rewarded and the responsible are penalized. But that is another story. Baseball is no exception to the overall downward spiral of this country. Oh. yes I forgot we have NASCAR and wrestling, many people follow these 2 "exciting" sports, millions in fact. This has taken away from baseball as well.... Most people today find the game of baseball too SLOW. They live in a world of immediate gratification and clicking on a computer screen.....
From: Bob Braun on 29 Sep 2009 17:48
"john smith" <eddygdvd(a)msn.com> wrote in message news:17008-4AC27C22-4488(a)baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com... > Baseball and its future is open for debate. But years ago baseball used > to be the only game in town. Kids growing up used to play the game in > little league or on the street corner. Everybody played from the > athletic kid to the nerd. They played everyday from dawn till dusk. Most > kids today play other sports, if they play at all. Most kids today walk > around with cell phones talking or texting nonsense. If they play > anything today it's video games not sports or baseball.... > > Years ago you could identify with your team because the players usually > stuck with their team for their whole career. They weren't making > zillions of dollars. Heck, most players had off season jobs. They played > the game well fundamentally. Selfish players were looked at with scorn > not admiration. > > Today the world is upside down where the irresponsible are rewarded and > the responsible are penalized. But that is another story. Baseball is no > exception to the overall downward spiral of this country. Oh. yes I > forgot we have NASCAR and wrestling, many people follow these 2 > "exciting" sports, millions in fact. This has taken away from baseball > as well.... > > Most people today find the game of baseball too SLOW. They live in a > world of immediate gratification and clicking on a computer screen..... All Accurate! I had a morning paper route. My buddy and I would deliver papers and wait for it to get light so we could start taking BP. Don't forget UFC! I sell my place out and hear more yelling and enthusiasm for UFC than any other event. |