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From: John Kasupski on 31 Dec 2009 03:36
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:30:39 -0800, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:

>What's Brandon Webb's status? A great fit for GAAP with his propensity
>to throw ground balls....

Webb was limited to one start last year because of injury. He threw four innings
of six-run ball on Opening Day and hasn't touched the mound since. After next
year he becomes a free agent. assuming he's healthy then, he will command top
dollar on the open markey, which lets all but the about six teams in MLB that
have deep enough pockets out.

>I know the Reds have financial restraints but every once in awhile, they
>should be able to splurge and stop taking fans for idiots...If they
>don't resign Gomes, management is a disgrace...

That seems a little harsh, John. Realistically, I think Gomes is at best the
right-handed half of a corner outfielder platoon. He was non-tendered because
the Reds figured he would probably get $2 million plus in arbitration. granted,
that's nowhere near what Johnny Damon is looking for, but there are other fourth
outfielder types out there - Rick Ankiel, Reed Johnson, Jermaine Dye, Aubrey
Huff, Jack Cust, to name a few - so the Reds can afford to wait and see how far
the free agent market drops before they go jumping in.

JK

From: David Short on 31 Dec 2009 11:15
"John Kasupski" <w2pio(a)spamfilter.verizon.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:30:39 -0800, eddygdvd(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:

>>I know the Reds have financial restraints but every once in awhile, they
>>should be able to splurge and stop taking fans for idiots...If they
>>don't resign Gomes, management is a disgrace...
>
> That seems a little harsh, John. Realistically, I think Gomes is at best
> the
> right-handed half of a corner outfielder platoon. He was non-tendered
> because
> the Reds figured he would probably get $2 million plus in arbitration.
> granted,
> that's nowhere near what Johnny Damon is looking for, but there are other
> fourth
> outfielder types out there - Rick Ankiel, Reed Johnson, Jermaine Dye,
> Aubrey
> Huff, Jack Cust, to name a few - so the Reds can afford to wait and see
> how far
> the free agent market drops before they go jumping in.

.....Is Jonny Gomes worth 2 million a year?

By all accounts Gomes is a great, great teamate. I mean he's the first guy
out of the dougout during a fight type of guy. He's a visable holler-boy who
doesn't spare the effort when it comes to practice. That's what the reds SAY
they want.

Gomes is young, but not a baby. He's 28 and has been in the big leagues
since he's 22.

Gomes RAKED last year. A 331 OBP is nothing to write home about, but when
you pair it with a 541 slugging percentage, that's useful production out of
a corner outfielder.

They guy made no fuss about the way he was used. He went down to AAA and
didn't cause a stink. When it was readily apparent that he should have been
in the lineup all year long, he kept his mouth shut and played.

The knock on Gomes coming into the year was that he was not a good defensive
outfielder. He responded by playing the best defensive ball of his career.
He still wasn't good.

Ok...This isn't Barry Bonds asking for 15 million to stand around left field
and wait for at bats. This is a 28 year old player reaching his peak who is
obviously a useful guy to have on a major league roster and by all acounts
is a terrific teamate.

You can't pay that guy 2 million dollars?

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe February comes and Gomes has no takers and comes back
to cincy for the league minimum. Maybe the guy is snowing the sportswriters
and has a habit and is pure poison. It seems pretty silly to save money this
way.

dfs


From: john smith on 31 Dec 2009 15:47
Gomes is a guy who could have easily hit 35 homers last year given a
full season. From his first Reds at bat and that ringing pulled double
down the left field line this guy spelled instant energy....

If Reds management had any integrity, they would cut Taveras and sign
Gomes . Just consider it a 6 million dollar investment( Gomes 2 and
Taveras 4) in a guy who could hit 35 homers if all things break right...

The Reds must get drastic if they are going to contend. Just take this
scenario: put Bruce in center, Gomes in right and Votto in left and sign
Adam Laroche for 2 years at first awaiting Alonzo... Sure it makes your
outfield weaker defensively but not as weak as when they had Dunn and
Griffey out there...

Making these radical moves gives you a very potent offense and if you
play Janish at SS your infield is great defensively. Votto could have
all spring to learn the outfield...

Thinking outside the box is not something Reds management is capable of.
They are limited to signing the Willy T's of baseball and that's it....

Pipe dream scenario but fun to think about...

From: David Short on 31 Dec 2009 15:59
"john smith" <eddygdvd(a)msn.com> wrote in message news:19875-4B3D0DF6-

snip of stuff I agree with....

> The Reds must get drastic if they are going to contend. Just take this
> scenario: put Bruce in center, Gomes in right and Votto in left and sign
> Adam Laroche for 2 years at first awaiting Alonzo... Sure it makes your
> outfield weaker defensively but not as weak as when they had Dunn and
> Griffey out there...

It would be pretty bad John. Probably worse than Dunn Griffey, Kearn.

The range numbers say Gomes is as bad as Dunn. I'm confident that's the
reason they didn't bring him back. I don't know how slow Votto would be, but
he couldn't be an asset. I like Bruce's defense as much as anybody, but the
reds have decided that he's overmatched in center and I'm not going to argue
with them. It's very simple right now for Jay Bruce. He needs to hit in
order to justify him having a starting slot. I don't want ANYTHING standing
in the way of Bruce focusing on hitting.

I would have been willing to live with Gomes/Bruce/Stubbs.
Votto/Bruce/Stubbs is certainly possible, but I don't think the reds are
moving Joey any more than they are moving Brandon Phillips to shortstop.
It's nice to think about, but over the last 10 years the reds did a bunch of
stuff like that (WMP to thirdbase? Danny Graves to the starting rotation)
and it just backfired on them time after time.

dfs


From: john smith on 31 Dec 2009 18:42
I know the defensive outfield scenario I put out there is pretty far
fetched but that's what the Winter blues does to a Red's fan. On Stubbs,
I am not sold on him and his power surge from last year could have been
the worst possible thing that could have happened to him...

Funny thing about the Reds is they seem to be stacked with 6 hole
hitters. Will they ever have a legit leadoff hitter again?

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