From: john smith on
Nobody would have believed the production the Reds have gotten out of
the catching position to date this year. It has been beyond anybody's
wildest expectations. I would appreciate how the Reds rank offensively
when you combine the two if anybody has this stat?

I still believe Hanigan is the better catcher. He blocks balls better
and is better defensively. Hanigan hits the ball harder than Hernandez.
But both have been more than adequate to say the least. I wouldn't mind
Hanigan catching 4 out of every 6 games. It will keep them both fresh.

The Brain Baker has done something right here with this juggling... Can
we see Hanigan just a wee bit more...

From: RJA on
On May 12, 10:15 am, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
> Nobody would have believed the production the Reds have gotten out of
> the catching position to date this year. It has been beyond anybody's
> wildest expectations. I would appreciate how the Reds rank offensively
> when you combine the two if anybody has this stat?
>
> I still believe Hanigan is the better catcher. He blocks balls better
> and is better defensively. Hanigan hits the ball harder than Hernandez.
> But both have been more than adequate to say the least. I wouldn't mind
> Hanigan catching 4 out of every 6 games. It will keep them both fresh.
>
> The Brain Baker has done something right here with this juggling... Can
> we see Hanigan just a wee bit more...

Hanigan: .391/.509/.609
Hernandez: .288/.405/.364

Both are doing well by catching standards. Hanigan seems to be better
defensively and has more pop. I'm not 100% convinced that Hanigan
can't play more. Baker seems to imply that they're both doing well
because they're getting ample rest. Funny how Hanigan has driven in
15 runs already, 4 more than all of last year. That was the non-
sabermetric knock on him.
From: tom dunne on
On May 12, 10:37 am, RJA <agentvau...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 10:15 am, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
>
> > Nobody would have believed the production the Reds have gotten out of
> > the catching position to date this year. It has been beyond anybody's
> > wildest expectations. I would appreciate how the Reds rank offensively
> > when you combine the two if anybody has this stat?
>
> > I still believe Hanigan is the better catcher. He blocks balls better
> > and is better defensively. Hanigan hits the ball harder than Hernandez.
> > But both have been more than adequate to say the least. I wouldn't mind
> > Hanigan catching 4 out of every 6 games. It will keep them both fresh.
>
> > The Brain Baker has done something right here with this juggling... Can
> > we see Hanigan just a wee bit more...
>
> Hanigan: .391/.509/.609
> Hernandez: .288/.405/.364
>
> Both are doing well by catching standards.  Hanigan seems to be better
> defensively and has more pop.  I'm not 100% convinced that Hanigan
> can't play more.  Baker seems to imply that they're both doing well
> because they're getting ample rest.  Funny how Hanigan has driven in
> 15 runs already, 4 more than all of last year.  That was the non-
> sabermetric knock on him.

With the SABR knock on him being that he has zilch for power. That
has been a huge change this year - Hanigan had 10 XBH last year in 251
AB, but already has 6 hits for extra bases this year in less than
1/5th as many at-bats. That won't last, but I think he's got legit
OBP skills - with nearly one full season of plate appearances (spread
over four years) he has an OBP of .381. If Dusty won't move him up in
the order, he should at least consider batting the pitcher 8th and
Hanigan 9th and trying the whole 'extra leadoff man' thing. That's
probably too radical for Baker, but it would be an interesting
experiment.
From: David Short on
On 5/12/2010 10:15 AM, john smith wrote:
> Nobody would have believed the production the Reds have gotten out of
> the catching position to date this year. It has been beyond anybody's
> wildest expectations. I would appreciate how the Reds rank offensively
> when you combine the two if anybody has this stat?
>
> I still believe Hanigan is the better catcher. He blocks balls better
> and is better defensively. Hanigan hits the ball harder than Hernandez.
> But both have been more than adequate to say the least. I wouldn't mind
> Hanigan catching 4 out of every 6 games. It will keep them both fresh.
>
> The Brain Baker has done something right here with this juggling... Can
> we see Hanigan just a wee bit more...

Don't look know, but Devin Mesoraco, remember him? The failed #1 draft
pick who was never going to hit? The dude is 22 in high A ball putting
up a 347/435/663. Yowzers.

That's not young for that league and it is a repeat and, yes, it's only
100 at bats, but....well, it's a 347/435/663. That's nice.

FWIW I don't remember having problems with Hanigan's defense last year.
His off season weight regime has been credited with his increase in both
power and confidence at the plate. That combined with the willingness to
accept a walk makes him more than adequate at the catching slot.


From: HTP on
On May 12, 8:22 am, David Short
<David.No.Sho...(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote:
> On 5/12/2010 10:15 AM, john smith wrote:
>
> > Nobody would have believed the production the Reds have gotten out of
> > the catching position to date this year. It has been beyond anybody's
> > wildest expectations. I would appreciate how the Reds rank offensively
> > when you combine the two if anybody has this stat?
>
> > I still believe Hanigan is the better catcher. He blocks balls better
> > and is better defensively. Hanigan hits the ball harder than Hernandez.
> > But both have been more than adequate to say the least. I wouldn't mind
> > Hanigan catching 4 out of every 6 games. It will keep them both fresh.
>
> > The Brain Baker has done something right here with this juggling... Can
> > we see Hanigan just a wee bit more...
>
> Don't look know, but Devin Mesoraco, remember him? The failed #1 draft
> pick who was never going to hit? The dude is 22 in high A ball putting
> up a 347/435/663. Yowzers.
>
> That's not young for that league and it is a repeat and, yes, it's only
> 100 at bats, but....well, it's a 347/435/663. That's nice.

I've been watching that too. That would be an unexpected boost to this
organization if he has suddenly figured out a few things. He'd been a
bust since he was drafted. High school catchers ughh. I was getting
very concerned about the Reds minor league depth chart at catcher. we
need someone to be ready to move up to the Reds by next season.

I see that they've also been giving Neftali Soto reps at catcher also.
Thats interesting.

The other positive news is the rebound of Chris Valaika at Lousville.
H'ed fallen off the prospect radar after last seasons dismal hitting
show. He'd hit all over the minors before lasts season, so hopefully
he's back on track.

As usual, theres some bad news. Juan Francisco is out for a few weeks
with an appendectomy. Oh, and all of the Reds affiliates are losers
atm.

>
> FWIW I don't remember having problems with Hanigan's defense last year.
> His off season weight regime has been credited with his increase in both
> power and confidence at the plate. That combined with the willingness to
> accept a walk makes him more than adequate at the catching slot.

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