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From: CardsFan on 29 Jul 2010 11:55

"Tom" <drsoong(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 8:52 pm, "CardsFan" <alan.mehrin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5d2a1145-f218-467c-9ae2-79facc7dacc3(a)g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 27, 8:18 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John Czar" <orthopedicfantas...(a)gmx.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:493b2071-8ea5-4755-97dd-c4d55f8dd38f(a)c16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 25, 11:11 pm, "A" <a...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > > x-no-archive: yes
>
> > Apparently, DeWitt has gone so far as to offer BRENDAN RYAN and others
> > for Oswalt.
> > _______________
>
> > So much for Danny Haren anyway. Given the Mulder debacle, I can't blame
> > them for being cautious, but Oswalt's history shows him able to
> > consistently
> > pitch 200 innings per year at pretty high quality. The fact that he
> > seems
> > to want to come to St. Louis should make him a fan favorite.
>
> > AJM
>
> The buzz I keep hearing is potential phenom Shelby Miller is on the
> table.
>
> Miller, Hawksworth or Walter and Ryan.
>
> That should get some notice.
> ___________________
>
> The latter, please.
>
> AJM- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I was a little worried last night with Luddy being out of the lineup,
that *he* might be part of the package.

Then the loutish Al Hrabosky reminded me of Luddy's numbers against
the Mutts starter.

I fear now that nothing will happen regarding Oswalt.

Tom
______________

HardBall Talk says Philadelphia is close to a deal, but they might want
Oswalt to drop his 2012 option for $16M. Philly fans seem to be wary that
Jason Werth might be part of the package. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt - pretty
good 1-3 there.

AJM


From: Tom on 30 Jul 2010 11:03
On Jul 29, 10:55 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
> "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4a11e6ba-fda3-4bc7-b9a9-0a64d1e0dd57(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 28, 8:52 pm, "CardsFan" <alan.mehrin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:5d2a1145-f218-467c-9ae2-79facc7dacc3(a)g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com....
> > On Jul 27, 8:18 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
>
> > > "John Czar" <orthopedicfantas...(a)gmx.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:493b2071-8ea5-4755-97dd-c4d55f8dd38f(a)c16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Jul 25, 11:11 pm, "A" <a...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > x-no-archive: yes
>
> > > Apparently, DeWitt has gone so far as to offer BRENDAN RYAN and others
> > > for Oswalt.
> > > _______________
>
> > > So much for Danny Haren anyway. Given the Mulder debacle, I can't blame
> > > them for being cautious, but Oswalt's history shows him able to
> > > consistently
> > > pitch 200 innings per year at pretty high quality. The fact that he
> > > seems
> > > to want to come to St. Louis should make him a fan favorite.
>
> > > AJM
>
> > The buzz I keep hearing is potential phenom Shelby Miller is on the
> > table.
>
> > Miller, Hawksworth or Walter and Ryan.
>
> > That should get some notice.
> > ___________________
>
> > The latter, please.
>
> > AJM- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I was a little worried last night with Luddy being out of the lineup,
> that *he* might be part of the package.
>
> Then the loutish Al Hrabosky reminded me of Luddy's numbers against
> the Mutts starter.
>
> I fear now that nothing will happen regarding Oswalt.
>
> Tom
> ______________
>
> HardBall Talk says Philadelphia is close to a deal, but they might want
> Oswalt to drop his 2012 option for $16M.  Philly fans seem to be wary that
> Jason Werth might be part of the package.  Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt - pretty
> good 1-3 there.
>
> AJM- Hide quoted text -
>


I suppose better to the Phillies than say, the Cubs or Reds.

That is, indeed, a pretty good potential 1-3!

Scary good.

Tom
From: CardsFan on 30 Jul 2010 11:13

"Tom" <drsoong(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 29, 10:55 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
> "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4a11e6ba-fda3-4bc7-b9a9-0a64d1e0dd57(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 28, 8:52 pm, "CardsFan" <alan.mehrin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:5d2a1145-f218-467c-9ae2-79facc7dacc3(a)g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 27, 8:18 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
>
> > > "John Czar" <orthopedicfantas...(a)gmx.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:493b2071-8ea5-4755-97dd-c4d55f8dd38f(a)c16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jul 25, 11:11 pm, "A" <a...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > x-no-archive: yes
>
> > > Apparently, DeWitt has gone so far as to offer BRENDAN RYAN and others
> > > for Oswalt.
> > > _______________
>
> > > So much for Danny Haren anyway. Given the Mulder debacle, I can't
> > > blame
> > > them for being cautious, but Oswalt's history shows him able to
> > > consistently
> > > pitch 200 innings per year at pretty high quality. The fact that he
> > > seems
> > > to want to come to St. Louis should make him a fan favorite.
>
> > > AJM
>
> > The buzz I keep hearing is potential phenom Shelby Miller is on the
> > table.
>
> > Miller, Hawksworth or Walter and Ryan.
>
> > That should get some notice.
> > ___________________
>
> > The latter, please.
>
> > AJM- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I was a little worried last night with Luddy being out of the lineup,
> that *he* might be part of the package.
>
> Then the loutish Al Hrabosky reminded me of Luddy's numbers against
> the Mutts starter.
>
> I fear now that nothing will happen regarding Oswalt.
>
> Tom
> ______________
>
> HardBall Talk says Philadelphia is close to a deal, but they might want
> Oswalt to drop his 2012 option for $16M. Philly fans seem to be wary that
> Jason Werth might be part of the package. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt -
> pretty
> good 1-3 there.
>
> AJM- Hide quoted text -
>


I suppose better to the Phillies than say, the Cubs or Reds.

That is, indeed, a pretty good potential 1-3!

Scary good.

Tom
____________

Again, if the Cards do nothing to improve the rotation (which now seems
highly unlikely) unless Lohse comes back and pitches well, I don't think
they will make the playoffs. If any of Carpenter, Wainwright or Garcia
loses a game, that means they will likely lose 3 of 5 almost all the time.

Suppan, sure he's a nice guy, but he just can't get major league hitters out
anymore. Hawksworth isn't showing the ability to be a starter either.
There really aren't any other options. What ever happened to Rich Hill?
And I am assuming Penny is done for the year, and as a Cardinal.

AJM


From: Tom on 30 Jul 2010 13:05
On Jul 30, 10:13 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
> "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f748c255-5ebd-451f-8956-0ecef9935cb8(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 29, 10:55 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4a11e6ba-fda3-4bc7-b9a9-0a64d1e0dd57(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com....
> > On Jul 28, 8:52 pm, "CardsFan" <alan.mehrin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Tom" <drso...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:5d2a1145-f218-467c-9ae2-79facc7dacc3(a)g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Jul 27, 8:18 am, "CardsFan" <m...(a)here.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "John Czar" <orthopedicfantas...(a)gmx.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:493b2071-8ea5-4755-97dd-c4d55f8dd38f(a)c16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Jul 25, 11:11 pm, "A" <a...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > x-no-archive: yes
>
> > > > Apparently, DeWitt has gone so far as to offer BRENDAN RYAN and others
> > > > for Oswalt.
> > > > _______________
>
> > > > So much for Danny Haren anyway. Given the Mulder debacle, I can't
> > > > blame
> > > > them for being cautious, but Oswalt's history shows him able to
> > > > consistently
> > > > pitch 200 innings per year at pretty high quality. The fact that he
> > > > seems
> > > > to want to come to St. Louis should make him a fan favorite.
>
> > > > AJM
>
> > > The buzz I keep hearing is potential phenom Shelby Miller is on the
> > > table.
>
> > > Miller, Hawksworth or Walter and Ryan.
>
> > > That should get some notice.
> > > ___________________
>
> > > The latter, please.
>
> > > AJM- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I was a little worried last night with Luddy being out of the lineup,
> > that *he* might be part of the package.
>
> > Then the loutish Al Hrabosky reminded me of Luddy's numbers against
> > the Mutts starter.
>
> > I fear now that nothing will happen regarding Oswalt.
>
> > Tom
> > ______________
>
> > HardBall Talk says Philadelphia is close to a deal, but they might want
> > Oswalt to drop his 2012 option for $16M. Philly fans seem to be wary that
> > Jason Werth might be part of the package. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt -
> > pretty
> > good 1-3 there.
>
> > AJM- Hide quoted text -
>
> I suppose better to the Phillies than say, the Cubs or Reds.
>
> That is, indeed, a pretty good potential 1-3!
>
> Scary good.
>
> Tom
> ____________
>
> Again, if the Cards do nothing to improve the rotation (which now seems
> highly unlikely) unless Lohse comes back and pitches well, I don't think
> they will make the playoffs.  If any of Carpenter, Wainwright or Garcia
> loses a game, that means they will likely lose 3 of 5 almost all the time..
>
> Suppan, sure he's a nice guy, but he just can't get major league hitters out
> anymore.  Hawksworth isn't showing the ability to be a starter either.
> There really aren't any other options.  What ever happened to Rich Hill?
> And I am assuming Penny is done for the year, and as a Cardinal.
>
> AJM- Hide quoted text -
>


I agree completely.

I believe Hill was released earlier this year, if not right out of
spring training.

For a big dude is supposedly good shape, Penny went down hard and fast
and has been slow to heal. If he had the same scuples as Trever
Miller, he would offer to come back next year for the league minimum
salary.

Mozeliak will feel the wrath of the fans if he fails to pull off a
decent deal.

Tom

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