From: HTP on 27 Jun 2010 15:02
On Jun 27, 11:16 am, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote:
> It is not a matter of hating Harang. It is a business decision. At this
> point in his career, he will never be more than a 5th starter on this
> team considering his age, stuff, and the ballpark he pitches in. The
> Reds are not going to pick up his option or sign him to a long term deal
> at the end of the year.
> So why not get something for him while you can? Considering he has
> pitched relatively well over the past 5 weeks, why not take advantage
> of this and deal him. It may benefit him as well, pitching in a more
> spacious stadium? His trade value won't get any higher than it is now,
> thanks to his recent surge.
Why not trade him for Zambrano?
Because the Reds are trying to win a division.
If Harang is surging and pitching well enough that other clubs would
be interested, why would you not simply hold onto him.
What first place club trades away a rotation pitcher who is pitching
decently for a headcase or prospect?
John, Harang will probably be gone come 2011 and then you can focus
your irrational dislike onto some other Reds player.
From: David Short on 27 Jun 2010 16:15
"HTP" <tmbowman25(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>If Harang is surging and pitching well enough that other clubs would
>be interested, why would you not simply hold onto him.
Just for what it's worth...I've probably been Aaron Harang's biggest fan
here in the newsgroup.
He's done, a shell of what he was. Any success he's having now can be
penciled to the credit of the hitters in the lineup and the defence behind
That's not to imply that Aaron is a waste of a roster spot and not worth
starts, but if the reds have the chance to shed Harang for anything
useful....they should jump at it.
From: john smith on 27 Jun 2010 20:22
Just as I spoke about the bullpen, Daniel Ray gives up what proved to be
a crucial add on run in the eighth inning. No way is this team going to
carry 8 relievers, so in light of his pitching all year not just today.
I believe Mr. Herrera will definitely be the one to go this Thursday.
His screwball was a nice novelty but it just doesn't have the bite on it
that it once had. In addition the hitters are now more aware of it and
it is no longer the great out pitch that it once was... Couple this with
a max fastball of about 84 and you just aren't gong to get it done...
I really like Logan Ondrusneck..... Logan O. has not only been getting
outs. The outs he is getting are weak grounders and strikeouts. He is
definitely a better pitcher then he was when he first came up. A nice
The crazy thing about the ninth inning today was the Reds were down two
runs and Jay Bruce swings at a ball head high on the first pitch.. Earth
to Bruce, even if you hit a homerun, there is still a runner behind you
that must score. Getting the first runner on in the ninth inning is so
crucial to mounting a rally. Bruce struck out on 4 pitches and you can
make a case all 4 pitches were balls and the last one was a called
strike and that looked like the best pitch out of the 4 and he took it.
Not to say it wasn't a pitchers pitch, it is crazy to think he swung at
the other pitches that were way out of the zone.
I don't think Sundays at home have been to kindl to the Reds recently.
Remember the Greinke game and then the Astros game when they lost with
Owings in the tenth inning... You have to bury teams like the Royals and
especially teams like the Astros and Indians. It seems the Reds always
seem to be one punch or a 10 count away from finishing off a team, only
to see the opposing team bounce up and survive the Reds final blow.....
The next 14 games will tell the tale on this young contender on whether
they have the stamina or the courage to go the distance. The Reds are
going to see a lot of good pitchers too. It looks like the Redlegs will
be seeing the front ends of all these opposing team's rotations over the
next two weeks.
Put up or shut up time. If they can't knock the team out, just ropey
dope it for a couple of weeks and try and win a decision at the end of
the year. But for heaven sakes, don't get knocked out yourself during
From: HTP on 28 Jun 2010 13:30
On Jun 27, 1:15 pm, "David Short"
> "HTP" <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >If Harang is surging and pitching well enough that other clubs would
> >be interested, why would you not simply hold onto him.
> Just for what it's worth...I've probably been Aaron Harang's biggest fan
> here in the newsgroup.
> He's done, a shell of what he was. Any success he's having now can be
> penciled to the credit of the hitters in the lineup and the defence behind
Well, i wouldnt exactly say he's done.
He still has reasonably low bb rates and good k/bb rates. I've seen
him hit 94 mph, so theres good velocity. The problem continues to be
too many long hits, and i think its because of too many high strikes.
I assume thats a correctable problem, but he hasnt gotten alot better
at keeping the ball down. theres some fat pitches there.
He had a dreadful April but is respectable since then
Apr: 1-3 7.16 era 1.59 whip
since: 5-4 4.21 era 1.40 whip
I have yet to see him have a start where he absolutely cuffs the
opposing hitters. He at least had a few of those the past couple
> That's not to imply that Aaron is a waste of a roster spot and not worth
> starts, but if the reds have the chance to shed Harang for anything
> useful....they should jump at it.
Depends on what you call useful. I cant see trading him for Zambrano,
nor the Cubs doing that within the division, even if the Cubs did pick
up the bulk of his salary. The Reds have simply too many low-cost
He'll likely be gone after this season and he should target his
hometown Padres as his next employer.