From: HTP on 27 Jun 2010 15:02 On Jun 27, 11:16 am, eddyg...(a)msn.com (john smith) wrote: > It is not a matter of hating Harang. It is a business decision. At this > point in his career, he will never be more than a 5th starter on this > team considering his age, stuff, and the ballpark he pitches in. The > Reds are not going to pick up his option or sign him to a long term deal > at the end of the year. > > So why not get something for him while you can? Considering he has > pitched relatively well over the past 5 weeks, why not take advantage > of this and deal him. It may benefit him as well, pitching in a more > spacious stadium? His trade value won't get any higher than it is now, > thanks to his recent surge. Why not trade him for Zambrano? Because the Reds are trying to win a division. If Harang is surging and pitching well enough that other clubs would be interested, why would you not simply hold onto him. What first place club trades away a rotation pitcher who is pitching decently for a headcase or prospect? John, Harang will probably be gone come 2011 and then you can focus your irrational dislike onto some other Reds player.
From: David Short on 27 Jun 2010 16:15 "HTP" <tmbowman25(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5ae33c88-fcc5-46ef-8065-107b451d5118(a)16g2000prp.googlegroups.com... >If Harang is surging and pitching well enough that other clubs would >be interested, why would you not simply hold onto him. Just for what it's worth...I've probably been Aaron Harang's biggest fan here in the newsgroup. He's done, a shell of what he was. Any success he's having now can be penciled to the credit of the hitters in the lineup and the defence behind him. That's not to imply that Aaron is a waste of a roster spot and not worth starts, but if the reds have the chance to shed Harang for anything useful....they should jump at it. dfs
From: john smith on 27 Jun 2010 20:22 Just as I spoke about the bullpen, Daniel Ray gives up what proved to be a crucial add on run in the eighth inning. No way is this team going to carry 8 relievers, so in light of his pitching all year not just today. I believe Mr. Herrera will definitely be the one to go this Thursday. His screwball was a nice novelty but it just doesn't have the bite on it that it once had. In addition the hitters are now more aware of it and it is no longer the great out pitch that it once was... Couple this with a max fastball of about 84 and you just aren't gong to get it done... I really like Logan Ondrusneck..... Logan O. has not only been getting outs. The outs he is getting are weak grounders and strikeouts. He is definitely a better pitcher then he was when he first came up. A nice bright spot..... The crazy thing about the ninth inning today was the Reds were down two runs and Jay Bruce swings at a ball head high on the first pitch.. Earth to Bruce, even if you hit a homerun, there is still a runner behind you that must score. Getting the first runner on in the ninth inning is so crucial to mounting a rally. Bruce struck out on 4 pitches and you can make a case all 4 pitches were balls and the last one was a called strike and that looked like the best pitch out of the 4 and he took it. Not to say it wasn't a pitchers pitch, it is crazy to think he swung at the other pitches that were way out of the zone. I don't think Sundays at home have been to kindl to the Reds recently. Remember the Greinke game and then the Astros game when they lost with Owings in the tenth inning... You have to bury teams like the Royals and especially teams like the Astros and Indians. It seems the Reds always seem to be one punch or a 10 count away from finishing off a team, only to see the opposing team bounce up and survive the Reds final blow..... The next 14 games will tell the tale on this young contender on whether they have the stamina or the courage to go the distance. The Reds are going to see a lot of good pitchers too. It looks like the Redlegs will be seeing the front ends of all these opposing team's rotations over the next two weeks. Put up or shut up time. If they can't knock the team out, just ropey dope it for a couple of weeks and try and win a decision at the end of the year. But for heaven sakes, don't get knocked out yourself during this trip.....
From: HTP on 28 Jun 2010 13:30 On Jun 27, 1:15 pm, "David Short" <David.No.Sh...(a)Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote: > "HTP" <tmbowma...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:5ae33c88-fcc5-46ef-8065-107b451d5118(a)16g2000prp.googlegroups.com... > > >If Harang is surging and pitching well enough that other clubs would > >be interested, why would you not simply hold onto him. > > Just for what it's worth...I've probably been Aaron Harang's biggest fan > here in the newsgroup. > > He's done, a shell of what he was. Any success he's having now can be > penciled to the credit of the hitters in the lineup and the defence behind > him. Well, i wouldnt exactly say he's done. He still has reasonably low bb rates and good k/bb rates. I've seen him hit 94 mph, so theres good velocity. The problem continues to be too many long hits, and i think its because of too many high strikes. I assume thats a correctable problem, but he hasnt gotten alot better at keeping the ball down. theres some fat pitches there. He had a dreadful April but is respectable since then Apr: 1-3 7.16 era 1.59 whip since: 5-4 4.21 era 1.40 whip I have yet to see him have a start where he absolutely cuffs the opposing hitters. He at least had a few of those the past couple years. > > That's not to imply that Aaron is a waste of a roster spot and not worth > starts, but if the reds have the chance to shed Harang for anything > useful....they should jump at it. > Depends on what you call useful. I cant see trading him for Zambrano, nor the Cubs doing that within the division, even if the Cubs did pick up the bulk of his salary. The Reds have simply too many low-cost options in-house. He'll likely be gone after this season and he should target his hometown Padres as his next employer.
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