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From: TenderRage on 11 May 2007 12:09 On May 11, 8:28 am, Phil <p...(a)nomail.com> wrote: > On 2007-05-11 00:53:28 -0400, Bill <billru...(a)prodigy.net> said: > > > TenderRage wrote: > > >> I don't believe in preferential treatment. > >> I would agree that motivation is a factor, > >> but I disagree with your saying that "every" city > >> has a good enough sports program. NYC does > >> not. > > > They don't? Then why did the NYC City Council pass that > > ridiculous law banning metal bats a week or two ago? > > > Bill > > I'm a little lost here, I guess. What's the connection between "good > enough sports program in NYC" and supposedly ridiculous laws about > metal bats? Other than that both pertain to NYC? Seems to me that if > they were of any relevance at all, ridiculous laws about bats would > only support a claim that the sports programs in NYC aren't good > enough. I'm not seeing how they'd weaken it. I guess you can say that the guy that replied to me...is using the metal bats law to show that enough sports is going on in NYC. It is a ridiculous law. IMO....an old fashioned louisville slugger is going to do way more damage than an aluminum bat...because of the weight. The difference might be that the bat will break before the aluminum will dent or bend....
From: Phil on 11 May 2007 14:23 On 2007-05-11 12:09:22 -0400, TenderRage <C.TenderRage(a)gmail.com> said: > On May 11, 8:28 am, Phil <p...(a)nomail.com> wrote: >> On 2007-05-11 00:53:28 -0400, Bill <billru...(a)prodigy.net> said: >> >>> TenderRage wrote: >> >>>> I don't believe in preferential treatment. >>>> I would agree that motivation is a factor, >>>> but I disagree with your saying that "every" city >>>> has a good enough sports program. NYC does >>>> not. >> >>> They don't? Then why did the NYC City Council pass that >>> ridiculous law banning metal bats a week or two ago? >> >>> Bill >> >> I'm a little lost here, I guess. What's the connection between "good >> enough sports program in NYC" and supposedly ridiculous laws about >> metal bats? Other than that both pertain to NYC? Seems to me that if >> they were of any relevance at all, ridiculous laws about bats would >> only support a claim that the sports programs in NYC aren't good >> enough. I'm not seeing how they'd weaken it. > > I guess you can say that the guy that replied to me...is using > the metal bats law to show that enough sports is going on in NYC. > It is a ridiculous law. > > IMO....an old fashioned louisville slugger is going to do way > more damage than an aluminum bat...because of the weight. > The difference might be that the bat will break before the > aluminum will dent or bend.... My feeling was that while it did suggest there is some sort of organized sports program in existence (probably over-organized), it didn't mean it was good enough, especially when rules like this are putting the whims of insurance companies and lawyers ahead of the sport. Which is why I felt it only supported the claim. I gather that the main case for banning aluminum bats is the relative velocity of a ball leaving the surface of an aluminum bat versus a wooden one. I'm sure that even if an aluminum bat were lighter than a wooden one (which I would not automatically assume to be the case), this would be a design flaw easily overcome on the drawing board.
From: Bill on 11 May 2007 18:34 TenderRage wrote: > > IMO....an old fashioned louisville slugger is going to do way > more damage than an aluminum bat...because of the weight. > The difference might be that the bat will break before the > aluminum will dent or bend.... Apparently it will also impact the sports programs because it will cost much more to buy wooden bats to replace the ones that break. Aluminum bats lasted a long time before needing to be replaced. So if the programs were underfunded before, just wait. Bill
From: Ruben on 11 May 2007 19:13 On Fri, 11 May 2007 09:09:22 -0700, TenderRage wrote: > > IMO....an old fashioned louisville slugger is going to do way > more damage than an aluminum bat...because of the weight. Yeah that would be wrong. Ruben -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
From: Ruben on 11 May 2007 19:19
On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:23:19 +0000, Phil wrote: > I gather that the main case for banning aluminum bats is the relative > velocity of a ball leaving the surface of an aluminum bat versus a > wooden one. I'm sure that even if an aluminum bat were lighter than a > wooden one (which I would not automatically assume to be the case), > this would be a design flaw easily overcome on the drawing board. Maybe if they weighed it down and put some carbon fiber on it to reduce the hardness and the elastisity. The weight is the key reason for the increased bat velocity and then you add the increase elastiticity and hardness, and the ball projects off a metal bat like a rocket. The Bat manufacters compete on this. Its enough. Other sports have had to step in a curb technology when the equiptment warped the results and posed a risk to atheletes. Golf and Bicycling comes to mind. Its alright if Baseball is a game played with a cow hide ball, leather gloves and a wooden bat. Its a game, not a moon mission. Ruben -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attacted at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one." |