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From: TenderRage on 10 May 2007 23:51 On May 10, 6:06?pm, "bklyntom" <harrykris...(a)daghetto.com> wrote: > "TenderRage" <C.TenderR...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > (big snip) > " Maybe there's something to this...." > > Could it be possible that individuals from the Dominican Republic, > South Korea, South America, and Japan are more highly motivated > and willing to work harder and sacrifice more to achieve a goal than > individuals from > the USA? > We in the US have organized sports in practically every high school in the > country. > There are "Little Leagues" in every city - a child just has to want to play. > > I believe it's to all our "enlightened self interest" to want people from > all walks > of life to participate, share, and contribute in all this great country has > to offer. > > Affirmative Action, quota systems, double standards, United Negro Colleges, > and > preferential treatment of any kind is ineffective and destructive. > > Tom I don't believe in preferential treatment. I would agree that motivation is a factor, but I disagree with your saying that "every" city has a good enough sports program. NYC does not. And let's be real about this, IMO I think that if someone was seriously contemplating a career in baseball or any other sport in HS, it's already too late. So many kids...that wind up in pro sports started out when they were tiny. By the way, same thing happening in classical music. Music programs in the US do not compare to so many countries....and we are seeing a major change in enrollment at the major conservatories throughout the US and subsequently in the professional performing arts throughout the US. Bottom line to me, is we are not taking care of our youth in general. Education in our country is not up to snuff in almost every category.
From: Bill on 11 May 2007 00:53 TenderRage wrote: > I don't believe in preferential treatment. > I would agree that motivation is a factor, > but I disagree with your saying that "every" city > has a good enough sports program. NYC does > not. They don't? Then why did the NYC City Council pass that ridiculous law banning metal bats a week or two ago? Bill
From: TenderRage on 11 May 2007 07:38 On May 11, 12:53�am, Bill <billru...(a)prodigy.net> wrote: > TenderRage wrote: > > I don't believe in preferential treatment. > > I would agree that motivation is a factor, > > but I disagree with your saying that "every" city > > has a good enough sports program. NYC does > > not. > > They don't? Then why did the NYC City Council pass that > ridiculous law banning metal bats a week or two ago? > > Bill There are little leagues but it isn't the same as in other places.....the majority of public schools do NOT have sports programs as you suggest. Especially in Manhattan. Just because somebody in the City Council proposes something like this, doesn't make it so. Space to play is incredibly limited. But....will consider looking up some stats...
From: Phil on 11 May 2007 08:28 On 2007-05-11 00:53:28 -0400, Bill <billrubin(a)prodigy.net> said: > TenderRage wrote: > >> I don't believe in preferential treatment. >> I would agree that motivation is a factor, >> but I disagree with your saying that "every" city >> has a good enough sports program. NYC does >> not. > > They don't? Then why did the NYC City Council pass that > ridiculous law banning metal bats a week or two ago? > > Bill I'm a little lost here, I guess. What's the connection between "good enough sports program in NYC" and supposedly ridiculous laws about metal bats? Other than that both pertain to NYC? Seems to me that if they were of any relevance at all, ridiculous laws about bats would only support a claim that the sports programs in NYC aren't good enough. I'm not seeing how they'd weaken it.
From: O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - CashMan in the soup line. on 11 May 2007 10:28
On May 8, 8:41 pm, rodneyk...(a)home.net (Rodney K.) wrote: > http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2007/05/07/05... > > Braves meet with Rainbow/PUSH officials > > By CARROLL ROGERS > The Atlanta Journal-Constitution > > Published on: 05/07/07 > > Upset over the lack of African-Americans on the Braves roster, members > of Jesse Jackson's Rainbow-PUSH Coalition asked for a meeting with > team officials. They got one Monday. > > Joe Beasley, Southern Regional Director for the Rainbow/PUSH > Coalition, said he and Dexter Clinkscale, the director of sports for > the organization, met Monday morning for nearly two hours with Braves > general manager John Schuerholz, assistant general manager Frank Wren > and three other Braves officials. > > "The team slipped ... down to [no African-Americans]; it wasn?t > something that just happened," Beasley said Monday afternoon. "I think > it was a lack of diligence on the part of the Braves to recruit > African-American players. There's not diminished enthusiasm for > African-Americans playing baseball. It's simply the opportunity hasn't > presented itself." > > Schuerholz acknowledged the meeting Monday but declined further > comment, saying in a statement: "We had a meeting with Mr. Beasley and > another member of his organization this morning and discussed a > variety of topics." > > Less than 10 percent of major league players are African-Americans. In > a recent interview on the subject, Schuerholz said: "You go to where > the talent leads you. Finding major league-caliber baseball players is > far too difficult if you try to narrow your criteria down to > demographics." > > Countered Beasley, "As I expected, [Schuerholz?s] idea is the bottom > line: I'll put the best 40 men I can get wherever I can get them from > on the field, and that's fair. But the fact of the matter is if they > put resources into recruiting here in the United States, and more > specifically here in Atlanta, there are talented players here." > > The issue was brought to the attention of the Rainbow-PUSH Coalition > during the 60th anniversary celebration of Jackie Robinson breaking > the color barrier. The Braves and Houston Astros did not have any > African-American players on their 25-man rosters at the time. The > Braves' total grew with the promotion of left fielder Willie Harris, > who is from Robinson?s hometown of Cairo. > > "You slipped down to nothing, now you've got one, we expect it to > start going up higher," Beasley said was the sentiment he voiced in > the meeting. "We want to see incrementally it move back up, rather > than moving down. There was an openness on [Schuerholz's] part to talk > and to be in dialogue and hopefully be in partnership in trying to > make sure that it happens. He was very nice, a gentleman. I'm going to > hold him to his word to work with us and move those numbers back up to > a respectable level." This has to be a joke. Please tell me this is a spoof. |