Another Opinion
in [Baseball Chat]
|
From: Will in New Haven on 9 Dec 2009 10:12 On Dec 9, 10:04 am, Lew Pitcher <LPitc...(a)techsavvy.ca> wrote: > Will in New Haven <bill.re...(a)taylorandfrancis.com> trolled: > > > when he was older and he was no disaster. If he had been they > > certainly would have moved him to First Base, because they rarely > > had a great-hitting First Baseman in his years, after Foxx left. > > They would play guys like Billy Gardner at the position. . > > Well, no, "they" wouldn't have been moving Ted Williams to first > unless it was his idea. Nobody ever accused Teddy Ballgame of being > a team player. > > > It is doubtful that Fenway helped him much offensively, although it > > could have if he weren't so insistent on pulling the ball. > > He could not have played every day LF in any other park in the > league, not if they expected to win. Bullshit. Who you have (defensively) in Left Field matters much less than his offensive output. In a few ballparks in those days, Left was a huge area to cover. One of the teams that played in one of those ballparks, the Yankees, wanted Williams pretty badly on several occasions and the deal was nearly made. They would have won with him, just as they did without him. > Oh, wait. They didn't win. > > > And he was a much better fighter pilot than Pete Rose. > > Yes, perhaps, but in a just plain fight, we would take Rose > everytime. Rose didn't fight Bubba much when he was behing bars but maybe he liked Bubba. > > > Will in New Haven > > Is there an Old Haven? Actually, there was a port city called Haven, or The Haven in England. New Haven may have been named after that one or simply named New Haven because it was a new port and Haven was a term for a port. Which would make it the same as Newport, Rhode Island, although not as wealthy. With all due respect -- Will in New Haven
From: Hank Gillette on 9 Dec 2009 10:32 In article <ef4e94c3-a5e8-4a5c-9e2d-7fb1d1d51b40(a)d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Will in New Haven <bill.reich(a)taylorandfrancis.com> wrote: > It is doubtful that Fenway helped him [Ted Williams] much offensively, although it > could have if he weren't so insistent on pulling the ball. Au contraire, other than home runs, Fenway helped Williams quite a bit. For his career, Williams hit .361 at home, .328 away. He also hit 319 doubles at Fenway, 206 on the road. Two other Boston left-handed hitters, Carl Yastrzemski and Fred Lynn, had similar home and road splits for average and doubles. Yaz and Lynn hit over .300 at home and in the .260s at home. For left-handed hitters, Fenway depresses home runs, but increases batting average and doubles. > > And he was a much better fighter pilot than Pete Rose. Williams served as John Glenn's wingman in Korea. According to John McCain, "John Glenn said he was the best natural pilot he ever flew with." Williams was a much better baseball player than Rose, too. But he probably wasn't as good on the trifecta. -- Hank Gillette "Years ago, I asked my dad for a boob job and he said it would cheapen my image" -- Paris Hilton
From: Will in New Haven on 9 Dec 2009 11:48 On Dec 9, 10:32 am, Hank Gillette <hankgille...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In article > <ef4e94c3-a5e8-4a5c-9e2d-7fb1d1d51...(a)d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, > Will in New Haven <bill.re...(a)taylorandfrancis.com> wrote: > > > It is doubtful that Fenway helped him [Ted Williams] much offensively, although it > > could have if he weren't so insistent on pulling the ball. > > Au contraire, other than home runs, Fenway helped Williams quite a bit. > For his career, Williams hit .361 at home, .328 away. He also hit 319 > doubles at Fenway, 206 on the road. Two other Boston left-handed > hitters, Carl Yastrzemski and Fred Lynn, had similar home and road > splits for average and doubles. Yaz and Lynn hit over .300 at home and > in the .260s at home. > > For left-handed hitters, Fenway depresses home runs, but increases > batting average and doubles. Thank you for that. I knew Fenway helped other lefties but I figured Williams was an exception. > > And he was a much better fighter pilot than Pete Rose. > > Williams served as John Glenn's wingman in Korea. According to John > McCain, "John Glenn said he was the best natural pilot he ever flew > with." He also said he dreaded the possibility of Williams being injured because "then I could never go to Massachussetts." > > Williams was a much better baseball player than Rose, too. But he > probably wasn't as good on the trifecta. People whose gambling habit gets really bad probably aren't very _good_ gamblers. It is possible to be a good horse handicapper but I doubt that Pete Rose would have the patience. I don't think Rose was anywhere near Williams's class as a fly fisherman either. But give him a couple of sticks of dynamite and a quiet spot along the Ohio... -- Will in New Haven
From: Lew Pitcher on 9 Dec 2009 19:31 Will in New Haven <bill.reich(a)taylorandfrancis.com> trolled: > > Bullshit. Who you have (defensively) in Left Field matters much less > than his offensive output. In a few ballparks in those days, Left was > a huge area to cover. One of the teams that played in one of those > ballparks, the Yankees, wanted Williams pretty badly on several > occasions and the deal was nearly made. They would have won with him, > just as they did without him. No. If the NYY was able to land Williams, it would only be to have him sit on the bench because the only interest NYY had in Williams was to keep him out of Boston's lineup. cordially, as always, rm
From: Lew Pitcher on 9 Dec 2009 19:38
Hank Gillette <hankgillette(a)yahoo.com> trolled: Ah, Mr. Gillette, who goes on to show us yet again that despite his name, he is none too sharp! > Au contraire, other than home runs, Fenway helped Williams quite a > bit. For his career, Williams hit .361 at home, .328 away. He > also hit 319 doubles at Fenway, 206 on the road. Two other Boston > left-handed hitters, Carl Yastrzemski and Fred Lynn, had similar > home and road splits for average and doubles. Yaz and Lynn hit > over .300 at home and in the .260s at home. > For left-handed hitters, Fenway depresses home runs, but increases > batting average and doubles. Don't try to fool these guys with facts. They only want to establish their opinions. > Williams served as John Glenn's wingman in Korea. According to John > McCain, "John Glenn said he was the best natural pilot he ever flew > with." Williams had extraordinary vision and hand eye coordination and that is the reason why such a statement was made. But don't forget that Brigadier General Jimmy Stewart was a hell of a pilot as well. He picked up the necessary skills when he played pitcher Monte Stratton in the movie. > Williams was a much better baseball player than Rose, too. More undocumented opinion. You were doing so well, up to now. Williams accomplished little of note during his time in the majors. Pete Rose remains the game's greatest hitter, by definition and without qualification. cordially, as always, rm |