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From: John Kasupski on 14 May 2010 15:50 On Fri, 14 May 2010 14:43:38 -0400, David Short <David.No.Short.(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote: >Sutton is not hitting in Louisville. He's about exactly as valuable as >Jeff Keppinger. I beg to differ, David. Drew Sutton is hitting .231 in a minor league while Jeff Keppinger is hitting a respectable .270 in the major leagues and is literally one of the toughest guys in the NL to strike out.. Sutton's probably better with the leather, but that hardly matters when he can't hit well enough to stay in the majors. >You might as well bring up Jorge Cantu and Cody Ross while you're at it. I wouldn't have, but siknce you just did <grin>... Cantu is an adequate first baseman defensively, but I wouldn't pick him over Votto as my first baseman. Cantu is not an adequate third baseman defensively, though he's probably a tad better than EE. Regardless, there's no way in Hell that I would pick him over Rolen as my third baseman. Cody Ross...well, I take him over Jay Bruce in right, and I'm not sure that I'd take him over Stubbs in center. I would take Ross in left field in a heartbeat over anybody the Reds have run out to that position since he left here. I'll take Keppinger back right now. Not that I'd expect him to hit .332 again or anything like that, but I'll find room on this bench for a guy who will hit .250 or better (unlike Cairo, Nix, Dickerson, and Stubbs so far this year), walks more than he strikes out (unlike everybody on the Reds' roster right now except Hanigan and Janish). I don't want him starting regularly, but in addition to his bat off the bench he can rest the starter anywhere in the infield and at either outfield corner or finish a game there if a guy gets tossed for arguing balls and strikes or whatever. The Astros can have Sutton back and take Cairo too, that'll clear all but about $300K of Keppinger's salary. But I'd bet if you called Ed Wade with that offer, he would tell you, "Stop wasting my time." JK
From: David Short on 14 May 2010 16:06 On 5/14/2010 3:50 PM, John Kasupski wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 14:43:38 -0400, David Short > <David.No.Short.(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote: > >> Sutton is not hitting in Louisville. He's about exactly as valuable as >> Jeff Keppinger. > > I beg to differ, David. Drew Sutton is hitting .231 in a minor league while Jeff > Keppinger is hitting a respectable .270 in the major leagues and is literally > one of the toughest guys in the NL to strike out.. Sutton's probably better with > the leather, but that hardly matters when he can't hit well enough to stay in > the majors. My statement stands John. You've got a guy that can't play defense at short or second and caries an empty bat at third and first. He has two major league skills. He can stay healthy and in the lineup. That's a real skill, but not worth anything. He doesn't strike out. That's not a skill you pay for. He's exactly as valuable as Drew Sutton. I don't think Sutton's glove is any better than Keppinger's. If it was than he would have been the utility guy on this team instead of Miguel Cairo. Sutton made several spring training errors at the shortstop position and I'm pretty sure those errors cost him a roster slot. There...Miguel Cairo, that's exactly how valuable Jeff Keppinger and Drew Sutton are. dfs
From: David Short on 14 May 2010 16:15 On 5/14/2010 3:50 PM, John Kasupski wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 14:43:38 -0400, David Short >> You might as well bring up Jorge Cantu and Cody Ross while you're at it. > > I wouldn't have, but siknce you just did<grin>... > > Cantu is an adequate first baseman defensively, but I wouldn't pick him over > Votto as my first baseman. Cantu is not an adequate third baseman defensively, > though he's probably a tad better than EE. Regardless, there's no way in Hell > that I would pick him over Rolen as my third baseman. > > Cody Ross...well, I take him over Jay Bruce in right, and I'm not sure that I'd > take him over Stubbs in center. I would take Ross in left field in a heartbeat > over anybody the Reds have run out to that position since he left here. .....Ross would have been a really nice player to keep back when they were running Ryan Freel out there and of course he would have been a nice break during these last couple of Taveres/Patterson years. I don't value corner outfield defense enough to put Ross in left over Gomes/Dickerson. I'm sure the pair of them will end up outhitting him by the end of the year. As to playing him over Bruce or Stubbs. I don't understand the impatience with young players. Neither of those guys are going to get any better in Louisville or on the bench. You have to find out what you have. Still Ross is a nice little player and if you're going to play "the one that got away." He would be my choice. IIRC the reds had a full outfield and pretty much sold him as a favor to the young man because he wasn't going to get playing time here with Freel/Junior/Dunn and Kearns in the outfield. Boy, that was a long time ago. dfs
From: John Kasupski on 14 May 2010 18:52 On Fri, 14 May 2010 16:15:46 -0400, David Short <David.No.Short.(a)Spam.wright.Please.edu> wrote: >On 5/14/2010 3:50 PM, John Kasupski wrote: >> On Fri, 14 May 2010 14:43:38 -0400, David Short >>> You might as well bring up Jorge Cantu and Cody Ross while you're at it. >> >> I wouldn't have, but siknce you just did<grin>... >> >> Cantu is an adequate first baseman defensively, but I wouldn't pick him over >> Votto as my first baseman. Cantu is not an adequate third baseman defensively, >> though he's probably a tad better than EE. Regardless, there's no way in Hell >> that I would pick him over Rolen as my third baseman. >> >> Cody Ross...well, I take him over Jay Bruce in right, and I'm not sure that I'd >> take him over Stubbs in center. I would take Ross in left field in a heartbeat >> over anybody the Reds have run out to that position since he left here. > > >....Ross would have been a really nice player to keep back when they >were running Ryan Freel out there and of course he would have been a >nice break during these last couple of Taveres/Patterson years. > >I don't value corner outfield defense enough to put Ross in left over >Gomes/Dickerson. I'm sure the pair of them will end up outhitting him by >the end of the year. Maybe they would if Dickerson could stay healthy long enough to outhit anybody. Then again, maybe not. He was hitting .205 with a .222 OBP when he got hurt. That's going to seriously drag down the platoon totals. As far as corner outfield defense, I'm not sure Ross is that much better as a left fielder defensively than Gomes anyway. I do know I'd rather have Ross hitting against right-handers than Gomes, and the majority of pitchers are right-handed. I'd also rather have Ross right now than Nix, who has so far put up .232 with a .284 OBP as a Red. >As to playing him over Bruce or Stubbs. I don't understand the >impatience with young players. Neither of those guys are going to get >any better in Louisville or on the bench. You have to find out what you >have. Holy...! OMG did I ever mistype that! No, the only way I take Jay Bruce out of the lineup is on a stretcher. As for Ross in center over Stubbs...I dunno. Probably not. He's going to hit way better than Stubbs, at least until Stubbs gets more experience, but I consider CF an important enough defensive position that I'll leave Stubbs in Cf and in the seven hole, where incidentally he has hit .345 with a .406 OBP. I'm not nuts about O-Cab leading off, but it's not like Dusty has a Pete Rose or even a Billy Hatcher on the roster at the moment. Speaking of which, what would you guys think of Bruce leading off against right-handers? He's hit .272 with a .362 OBP against them, not Rickey Henderson numbers but it's better than what Stubbs or Cabrera have done against right-handers this year and he can run a bit besides - he certainly won't break Dave Collins' team single season stolen base record (79 in 1980), but he goes first-to-third well...and figures to get on base more often against righties than Cabrera or Stubbs. Whaddyathink? JK
From: john smith on 14 May 2010 21:18
I don't want to start playing shake the bag line- ups every night. Keep Bruce right where he is, you want to drive this guy crazy?Just when he is turning the corner. This isn't no stratomatic game.... The leadoff answer is in a trade, nowhere else. Cabrera is suffice until then, I was never a fan of musical chairs........ |