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From: Dan Szymborski on 17 Jun 2007 20:15 In article <4675b49f$0$20613$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com>, rja(a)nospam.cinci.rr.com says... [...] > Not sure where you got the idea that nobody wants him to strike out less. > I've been saying that would be great for like 2 weeks now and did a > breakdown of his 2 strike results. You on the other hand want to waste his > walks in the 6 hole so that he can be stranded by other guys who strike out > all the time. I'm definitely surprised to see that you got jumbled in - we've been having nearly the same argument for 7 or 8 years! -- Dan Szymborski dan(a)baseballprimer.REMOVE.com "A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good." - Robert Schumann
From: Bob Braun on 18 Jun 2007 09:59 "Kevin McClave" <kmcclaveSPAM(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:mp5b73p5e9vb4pru5jhq5meuo6s0g2f2ah(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:39:52 -0700, coachrose13(a)hotmail.com wrote: >> Cant find no one here worth arguing with who thinks striking out 200 >> times a year is insignicant. Hell, the Reds worked with Dunn all >> preseason to try to get him to cut down on his strikouts, even Adam says >> he needs to reduce his strikouts. I guess statheads know more than the >> oranization or players do, huh? > > Absolutely. That's one reason they haven't been to the playoffs in more > than a decade. > I see Adam Dunn making adjustments. More so, than any other time in the past. He'll get himself totally dialed in, and the Reds will no doubt trade him.
From: Ron Johnson on 18 Jun 2007 13:22 On Jun 17, 4:20 pm, Kevin McClave <kmcclaveS...(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:39:52 -0700, coachros...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > Cant find no one here worth arguing with who thinks striking > > out 200 times a year is insignicant. Hell, the Reds worked with > > Dunn all preseason to try to get him to cut down on his strikouts, > > even Adam says he needs to reduce his strikouts. No surprise. I know Mike Schmidt and Gary Sheffield have said similar things -- and meant it. Players do not like to strike out. > > I guess statheads > > know more than the oranization or players do, huh? > > Absolutely. That's one reason they haven't been to the playoffs in more > than a decade. Here's something I personally like to cite when somebody makes an appeal to authority type of argument citing players. Babe Ruth named Hal Chase to his all-time team over Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, hell even George Sisler. "[some people] will feel that I should pick Lou Gehrig over Chase, (but Chase) was so much better than anyone else that I ever saw on first base that - to me - it was no contest." He also managed to come up with Herb Pennock over (among others) Lefty Grove, Ray Schalk over Cochrane, Dickey, Hartnett (and for that matter Schang) Hell, Roger Clemens went nuts when the Jays released Ed Sprague. To get back to Dunn. As with any player there are specific things he could stand to work on. It's just that when I compare his results to his reported weaknesses. Contrary to what most people probably believe, he just chews up finesse pitchers while struggling against the pure power pitchers. And he's been far more successful against groundball pitchers than flyball pitchers (which surprises the hell out of me, but it seems that he's really good at getting the ball in the air against people who don't normally allow it) All in all, seems to me that the biggest issue is simply bat speed. He strikes out 46% more frequently against power pitchers than finesse pitchers. And if that's the case, there's no easy fix.
From: John Kasupski on 18 Jun 2007 23:47 On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:22:33 -0700, Ron Johnson <johnson(a)ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote: >All in all, seems to me that the biggest issue >is simply bat speed. He strikes out 46% more >frequently against power pitchers than finesse >pitchers. > >And if that's the case, there's no easy fix. I don't think you hit balls into the Ohio River without generating some decent bat speed first. I'm more inclined to chalk it up to the fact that he has a long swing, which means it takes him a bit longer to generate that bat speed. Note that we're probably talking maybe a tenth of a second difference here, but an object travelling 100 MPH takes 0.4143835 seconds to go 60' 6". If that object happens to be the baseball, thrown by your basic power pitcher at speeds approaching or maybe even exceeding 100 MPH, and if you're the batter, cutting a tenth of a second off the length of your swing is just huge. Finesse pitchers, mostly being nowhere near 100 MPH, gives Dunn more time to get around on the pitch. The fix - admittedly not as easy a fix for a hitter to regularly accomplish as it may sound - would be to shorten up on that swing, as he apparently has been trying to do recently, and just try to slap it through a hole in the IF for a single to right, rather than trying to launch the pitch into geosynchronous earth orbit. John D, Kasupski, Tonawanda, NY Reds Fan Since The 1960's http://www.kc2hmz.net
From: coachrose13 on 19 Jun 2007 01:58
On Jun 18, 9:59 am, "Bob Braun" <oxspo...(a)hotandsunnymail.com> wrote: > "Kevin McClave" <kmcclaveS...(a)SUCKStwcny.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:mp5b73p5e9vb4pru5jhq5meuo6s0g2f2ah(a)4ax.com... > > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:39:52 -0700, coachros...(a)hotmail.com wrote: > >> Cant find no one here worth arguing with who thinks striking out 200 > >> times a year is insignicant. Hell, the Reds worked with Dunn all > >> preseason to try to get him to cut down on his strikouts, even Adam says > >> he needs to reduce his strikouts. I guess statheads know more than the > >> oranization or players do, huh? > > > Absolutely. That's one reason they haven't been to the playoffs in more > > than a decade. > > I see Adam Dunn making adjustments. More so, than any other time in the > past. He'll get himself totally dialed in, and the Reds will no doubt trade > him. I do too, for a whole week. And if "things tend to even out" as some statheads here suggest, then he will soon go through a 1-for 20 streak and strike out 12 times while batting cleanup. That being said, I really hope the Reds dont trade him. With the right lineup around him, Dunn could really help this team be succsessful. |